On Thu, 7 Nov 2024 08:34:03 -0600, Christ Rose
Post by Christ RosePost by z***@windstream.netPost by RobertRom 12:(9-18) Love, let it be without hypocrisy. Look with loathing and
horror upon that which is pernicious. Stick fast to that which is good. In
the sphere of brotherly love have a family affection for one another, vying
with one another in showing honor; with respect to zeal, not lazy; fervent in
the sphere of the Spirit, serving the Lord; rejoicing in the sphere of hope;
patient in tribulation; with respect to prayer, persevering in it
continually; with respect to the needs of the saints, being a sharer with
them, eager for opportunities to show hospitality. Be constantly blessing
those who are constantly persecuting you; be blessing and stop cursing. Be
rejoicing with those who are rejoicing, and be weeping with those who are
weeping; having the same mind towards one another, not setting your mind upon
lofty things, but associating yourselves with lowly things and lowly people.
Stop being those who are wise in their own opinion, requiting to no one evil
in exchange for evil, taking thought in advance with regard to things that
are seemly in the sight of all men. If it is possible so far as it depends
upon you, with all men be living at peace.
Good Sunset Robert,
Yes, to kind of add and review things, there are Bible marks of a true
religion. See if you agree.
First, there really is ONE true religion; "one faith". (Eph 4:4,5)
There is only ONE road to everlasting life, and it is narrow. (Mt
7:13,14)
Jesus said that unless you believe I am He, you would die in your sins
(John 8:24). He spoke of this essential belief in His divine identity
and mission. In John 8:24, Jesus emphasized the necessity of recognizing
Him as the one sent by God, the Messiah, and, significantly, as one with
God Himself. His use of "I am" here is not incidental; it reflects the
Old Testament name of God, revealed to Moses at the burning bush as "I
AM" (Exodus 3:14, ESV). By saying this, Jesus clearly identifies Himself
with Yahweh, the God of Israel, asserting that He is not just a prophet
or teacher but God in the flesh.
His audience understood this claim. In John 8:59, they attempted to
stone Him because they believed He was blaspheming by identifying
Himself as God. This reaction shows they grasped the significance of His
words. Later, in John 10:33, they confirm their understanding, saying,
It is not for a good work that we are going to stone you but for
blasphemy, because you, being a man, make yourself God (John 10:33,
ESV). By claiming I am, Jesus asserts His divine nature, and this
belief is essential for salvation. Without faith in His true identity,
He warns, people remain in their sins and miss the salvation He alone
offers.
Then that would mean God sent Himself to earth? Yes or no?
In Exodus 3:14 God was using this as a title and name to be used
against the Egyptians.
A Bible scholar Dr. J.H. Hertz said that in that phrase 'I am that I
am' the main emphasis in on the active manifestation of God's Divine
existence. He said that God was about to show himself in behalf of his
people in great and wonderful way. He said that "I will be what I will
be" is also an approved rendering.
The footnote to the NASB Bible agrees and says, "1.14 Or I WILL BE
WHAT I WILL BE " .
When Jesus used the phrase he was not using it as a name or title. He
was only explaining his pre-human existence.
The Greek Septuagint Version, which is the one the Apostles quoted
from in the first century, renders Exodus 3:14 as " ego' eimi' ho
Ohn'," which translates "I am the Being". The Greek words at John 8:58
"ego eimi" show the use of the verb "eimi" in the historical present
because Jesus was talking about himself in relation to Abraham's past.
That is why some translations render it differently. For example:
--An American Translation reads. "I existed before Abraham was born!",
--Moffatt, "I have existed before Abraham was born",
--Sacred Bible, "Before Abraham existed, I was existing",
--The New Testament, "Jesus said to them, 'I tell you, I existed
before Abraham was born!",
--The Four Gospels According the Sinaitic Palimpsest, "He said unto
them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I have
been.",
--The Twentieth Century New Testament, "Believe me 'Jesus replied,
'before Abraham was born I was already what I am.",
--The Modern New Testament, "Jesus said to them, Truly, truly, I say
to you, Before Abraham was born, I was.",
--The Syriac New Testament, "Jesus said to them: Verily, verily, I say
to you, That before Abraham existed, I was."
--The New World Translation (NWT) " Jesus said to them: "Most truly I
say to YOU, Before Abraham came into existence, I have been.""
In some non-English Bibles:
--C. Stage's Das Neue Testament (German) "Jesus said to them: 'Truly,
truly, I say to you" : Before Abrham was born, I was.",
--Nuevo Testamento (Spanish), "Jesus answered: 'In truth, in truth, I
say to you: Before Abraham was born, I was",
--F. Pfaefflin's Das Neue Testament (German): "Jesus: 'Before there
was an Abraham, I was already there [war ich schon da]!'"
The same expression "ego eimi",(I am) is used at John 8:24 and 28. But
many of the same translators who translate it just as "I am" at John
8:58, translate it as "I am he" at John 8:24 and 28. (NASB,
NIV-footnote).
Thus Jesus here never claimed to be God. I don't know why you are
having such a hard time with this. The Bible clearly tells us Jesus is
not God. Did God ever die? Absoluely not!!! God ALWAYS was. From
infinity back, to infinity forward:
-- New King James
Psalms 90:2 Before the mountains were brought forth, Or ever You had
formed the earth and the world, Even from everlasting to everlasting,
You are God.
But Jesus DIED and was buried. He had to be in the "heart of the
earth" 3 days and nights. Jesus was RESURRECTED by God. You don't
resurrect a living person, only the dead. (the resurrection also
proves that you don't live on elsewhere when you die) Those who have
died need to get resurrected to live again. RIGHT??? If not, please
explain.
Post by Christ RosePost by z***@windstream.netJust think about that. That makes all the other religions on the
planet false.
Especially yours, since you deny Jesus is Yahweh, while claiming to be a
"Jehovah's Witness".
The Bible itself also denies it. SEE THE INFO ABOVE
You think I would jeopardize my life if I wasn't sure? Jesus is God's
Son. The angel Gabrial said he was God' son. Jesus himself said he was
God's Son. If it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck, well...
Post by Christ RoseBut does that include the many different divided
Post by z***@windstream.netChristian religions? If it didn't, that would make Jesus divided. (
"Is Christ divided?"-- 1 Cor 1:13)
The core doctrines of the faith are what matters,
Oh I see. We can ignore all the rest of the Bible. Paul didn't agree
with that assesment. He said at 2 Tim 3:16 that ALL SCRIPTURE is
inspired of God. Thus you do not highlight other doctrines inspired of
God that are not part of your CORE doctrines? Not a very wise thing to
do,
Post by Christ Roseand all true
Christians agree on those. Salvation is by grace, through faith in
Christ's death and resurrection, apart from but unto good works (Romans
4; Galatians; Ephesians 2:8-10; James 2).
Apart from works? Didn,t you know "faith without works is dead"? (Jas
2:26) So if that is the way you have been doing lately, then you can
be proud to say at the end, "MY DEAD FAITH SAVED ME!
Post by Christ RoseBut that also includes belief that Jesus is God. Denying Jesus is God
means you will die in your sins, and that you're leading others to
eternal, conscious torment in hell if you try to persuade them
otherwise. Jesus and Paul reserved their sternest rebukes to those who
led people astray from the saving gospel (John 8:24; Galatians 1:8-9;
Matthew 23:13-15, ESV).
I believe ALL the Scriptures you quote, as they are written, not as
you may interpret them.
You seem to try to be a Christian with all your web pages etc. Maybe
you should just try a little harder.
You are being given true Bible doctrines. Don't let any predjudice
against JW's hinder your VERIFYING those truths. Jesus was opposed
right and left at that time, esp by the clergy, but his disciples
looked past that, and came to accept his teachings.
Post by Christ RosePost by z***@windstream.netYes, there is also only one of the many Christian religions. And there
(1) It is solely based on the Bible. Not men's teachings. (2 Ti 3:16;
Mr 7:7)
Which exposes your NWT abomination. Watchtower has consistently
scrubbed, twisted, modified, and changed nearly everything in the Bible
which shows Jesus is God. They are not doing this on the basis of
improved translation, but the opposite--by departing further and further
from what the Bible says (https://www.christrose.news/nwt).
I didn't have time to answer all your opposition discussions of the
JW's NWT on your web page. But if you send me a few at a time, I will
happily Scripturally discuss them.
Now, you went on to quote language and Bible scholars just how
terrible the NWT of JW's is. Such as:
"a shocking mistranslation. (Mantey 30)"
"a frightful mistranslation, calling it erroneous, pernicious,
and reprehensible. (Bruce Metzger, Theology)"
"has failed significantly in preventing doctrinal biases from
influencing the translation
It must be seen as an extremely biased
work. At some points, its outright dishonest; at others, its neither
modern nor scholarly. (Countess, 91)"
And on and on. We get the point. With these 'scholars' testimonies,
case closed, right? ABSOLUTELY WRONG!
If you asked me to write a book in Portugese, since I know nothing
about it, it would show complete signs of stupidity. At best, it would
read like an elementery textbook.
Now you said those JW translators were "incompetent to deal with the
original languages". Let's see what incompetent means:
"INCOMPETENT | definition in the Cambridge English Dictionary
Cambridge Dictionary
https://dictionary.cambridge.org dictionary incompe...
lacking the skills or knowledge to do a job or perform an action
correctly or to a satisfactory standard:"
Thus it should be obvious even to the common person, let alone Bible
scholars, how incompetent that NWT Bible allegedly is. SO LET'S SEE:
How accurate is the NWT? Notice this comment from Jason BeDuhn,
associate professor of religious studies at Northern Arizona
University, who compared eight major Bible translations, including the
NWT. He said it was
"remarkably good" and "better by far" and "consistently better".
He also said, "the greater accuracy of the NW as a literal,
conservative translation of the original expressions of the New
Testament writers."
And he concluded that the NWT (NT):
"is one of the most accurate English translations of the New Testament
currently available" and "the most accurate of the translations
compared". (Truth in Translation:Accuracy and Bias in English
Translations of the New Testament)
[info taken from the Watchtower magazine, 12/1/04, P. 30.]
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"Dr. Benjamin Kedar, a Hebrew scholar in Israel, made a similar
comment concerning the New World Translation. In 1989 he said: This
work reflects an honest endeavor to achieve an understanding of the
text that is as accurate as possible. . . . I have never discovered in
the New World Translation any biased intent to read something into the
text that it does not contain." (from wol.jw.org)
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"For example, the Andover Newton Quarterly of January 1963 said: The
translation of the New Testament [NWT]is evidence of the presence in
the movement of scholars qualified to deal intelligently with the many
problems of Biblical translation." (W99,1015,p.29)
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The New Testament translation was made by a committee whose
membership has never been revealeda committee that possessed an
unusual competence in Greek.Andover Newton Quarterly,
September 1966." (g87,3/22, p.14)
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I am interested in the mission work of your people, and its world
wide scope, and much pleased with the free, frank and vigorous
translation. It exhibits a vast array of sound serious learning, as I
can testify.Letter, December 8, 1950, from Edgar J. Goodspeed,
translator of the Greek New Testament in An American Translation."
(g87.3/22, p.14)
"Notice this about Doctor Goodspeed:
"Edgar Johnson Goodspeed (18711962) was an American theologian and
scholar of Greek and the New Testament. He taught for many years at
the University of Chicago, whose collection of New Testament
manuscripts he enriched by his searches. The University's collection
is now named in his honor.
He is widely remembered for his translations of the Bible: The New
Testament: an American Translation (1923), and (with John Merlin Powis
Smith) "The Bible, An American Translation" (1935), the "Goodspeed
Bible". He is also remembered for his translation of the Apocrypha,
and that translation was included in The Complete Bible, An American
Translation (1939). Finally, Harper & Brothers issued his widely
heralded The Apostolic Fathers: An American Translation (1950).
Edgar J. Goodspeed was born in Quincy, Illinois. He graduated from
Denison University in 1890 (where he also received a doctorate in
Divinity, 1928) and the University of Chicago (Ph.D. 1898)."
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_J._Goodspeed)
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"New World Translation Impresses a Scholar
ACCORDING to classical Greek scholar Dr. Rijkel ten Kate, Dutch Bible
translations fail to render certain words accurately. For example, in
Luke chapter 2, we find three different Greek words (bre´phos,
pai·di´on, and pais) employed to describe the successive stages of
Jesus growth. Each of these words has a different shade of meaning.
However, in many Bibles, two or all three of these words are vaguely
rendered child. What is the correct translation?
Dr. ten Kate explains that in verse 12 the Greek word bre´phos means
a newborn, or baby. Pai·di´on, used in verse 27, means little boy
or child, and pais, found in verse 43, should be rendered boy. As
far as I know, wrote Dr. ten Kate in the March 1993 issue of Bijbel
en Wetenschap (Bible and Science), not one Dutch translation has
rendered this adequately, that is to say, completely in harmony with
the original text.
Later, Dr. ten Kate was shown the New World Translation of the Holy
Scriptures, which is available in 12 languages, including Dutch. His
reaction? I am very surprised, he said, that there is actually one
Dutch Bible in which the different use of the three Greek words
bre´phos, pai·di´on, and pais is rightly taken into account. Does the
New World Translation translate these verses in harmony with the
original Greek text? Completely in agreement, responds Dr. ten
Kate." (W95,4/15, p.32)
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The translation is evidently the work of skilled and clever scholars,
who have sought to bring out as much of the true sense of the Greek
text as the English language is capable of expressing.Hebrew and
Greek scholar Alexander Thomson, in The Differentiator, April 1952,
pages 52-7." (g87,3/82, p. 14)
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This is no ordinary interlinear: the integrity of the text is
preserved, and the English which appears below it is simply the basic
meaning of the Greek word. . . . After examining a copy, I equipped
several interested second-year Greek students with it as an auxiliary
text. . . . The translation by the anonymous committee is thoroughly
up-to-date and consistently accurate. . . . In sum, when a Witness
comes to the door, the classicist, Greek student, or Bible student
alike would do well to bring him in and place an order.From a review
of The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures, by
Thomas N. Winter of the University of Nebraska, appearing in The
Classical Journal, AprilMay 1974.(g87,3/22, p. 14)
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Hebrew and Greek scholar Alexander Thomson wrote: The translation is
evidently the work of skilled and clever scholars, who have sought to
bring out as much of the true sense of the Greek text as the English
language is capable of expressing.The Differentiator, April 1952,
pages 52-7.
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Professor Benjamin Kedar, a Hebrew scholar in Israel, said in 1989:
In my linguistic research in connection with the Hebrew Bible and
translations, I often refer to the English edition of what is known as
the New World Translation. In so doing, I find my feeling repeatedly
confirmed that this work reflects an honest endeavor to achieve an
understanding of the text that is as accurate as possible.
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Eerdmans Handbook to the Bible lists the New World Translation among
the 14 main 20th-century English translations.
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1950 they produced and published the New World Translation of the
Christian Greek Scriptures, which Goodspeed termed an interesting and
scholarly work.
So what can we conclude from your Bible scholars and my Bible
scholars? THAT SCHOLARS CAN DISAGREE!
God didn't write the Bible only for Bible scholars. It was for the
common man also, like yourself. And even Bible scholars get things
wrong. Look at the Scribes and Pharisees of Jesus' day. Jesus called
them "offspring of vipers". (Mt 3:7) But note, they didn't teach
EVERYTHING wrong, just some things. But Jesus condemned them for that
because they should have known better.
Post by Christ RoseAnd this is not even on the same scale of magnitude as your feigned
concern about the accuracy of the word "L???". You constantly try to
make a big deal out of that, citing how there are 7,000 errors in our
Bible and such, yet your version uses "Jehovah". That is also incorrect.
It's YHWH. So you pat yourself and your abominable NWT translation on
the back for using "Jehovah", when you're using 7,000 incorrect names of
God as well.
God's name as YHWH is missing the vowels. NO ONE TODAY IS COMPLETELY
SURE THEY KNOW GOD'S EXACT NAME. God has permitted it to be lost to
anticquity at this time. And since God has permitted TRANSLATION of
Bible writings (see the Septuagint), today most Bibles translate God's
name into their language. For example:
In Danish "Jehova"
In Fijan "Jiova"
In Italian "Geova"
In Japanese "Ehoba"
In Spanish "Jehová"
In French "Je'hovah (conventional literary form)
In German "Jehovah" (German Elberfelder version)
(See Deut 4:2)
You need to critisize all of them also (:>(
Post by Christ Rose--Same with the word "hell". We know it's Gehenna or Hades.
Gehenna is NOT hell. Those who go to "hell" (OT=sheol, NT=hades) ALL
get out when God says so. Those tossed in Gehenna NEVER get out. It is
eternal destruction. I have tried to make that clear to you. Notice:
"Hades delivered up the dead who were in them" (Rev 20:13; NKJV)
-- Webster's Bible
Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and
death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were
judged every man according to their works.
-- New Living Translation
Revelation 20:13 The sea gave up the dead in it, and death and the
grave* gave up the dead in them. They were all judged according to
their deeds.
*"Footnotes
20:13 Greek and Hades; also in 20:14."
Post by Christ RoseNo one goes
to Gehenna or Hades for calling Gehenna or Hades "hell", instead of
Hades or Gehenna. They go there for denying Jesus is God. Thus, you
strain out a gnat and swallow a camel when you try to impugn our Bible
translations, then substitute a version which makes the same errors
itself, and which was systematically designed to deliberately scrub the
deity of Christ out of the Bible.
Yeh, you got to watch those sly JW's trying to deceive people. That's
their whole purpose. When they leave their work, they go home to their
wife and children. And they all laugh at how he fooled people today.
(:>(
Post by Christ RosePost by z***@windstream.net(2) They worship the God of the Bible, who has a NAME. God recorded
His name around 7000 times, which makes it important and meant to be
used. (Joh 17:6; Ac 15:14; Ps 83:18, KJV)
Idem. See above.
Yes idem above to you also.
Post by Christ RosePost by z***@windstream.net(3) Its members show "love" to each other. They don't kill members of
their same religion in another country, when political leaders declare
war, etc. (Joh 13:35)
Wherever there is wheat, there are tares (Matthew 13:24-30). Tares do
what tares were planted to do. Then all the liars try to blame
Christians for it.
Whats that got to do with German Baptists killing American Baptists in
WWII. And American Catholics killing German Catholics?
The true religion has no divisions:
10. Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus
Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no
divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the
same mind and in the same judgment.
I could go to the North Pole, and the JW's there will have the same
exact beliefs as I have. Or to Timbuktu in Mali, and the same would be
true, etc.
Post by Christ RosePost by z***@windstream.net(4) They are no part of the world. They strive hard to avoid
materialistic and fleshly desires, and do avoid the politics of the
world. (Joh 15:19)
It depends on what you mean by "politics".
If you mean don't operate according to the manipulative, worldly ways
of the world, sure.
Believers are told to pray for kings and those who are in authority (1
Timothy 2:1-8). That is a powerful form of involvement in politics.
That's as powerful as a gnat on crutches. Christians pray for LOTS of
people, political leaders are just one of them. They pray about them
so that our Christen work can continue unabued in oppostion countries
like Russia. (Mt 28:19,20)
Apparently those prayers have done some good as JW's are persecuted
and jailed in Russia, but one of our brothers has recently been
released:
"Brother Roman Mareyev Released From Russian Prison 2024-10-31". Spent
4 years 6 months for preaching the Bible.
(https://www.jw.org/en/news/)
Preaching the Good News of the Kingdom in some countries can be
dangerous:
-- New Revised Standard with Apocrypha
Matthew 24:14 And this good news {Or [gospel]} of the kingdom will be
proclaimed throughout the world, as a testimony to all the nations;
and then the end will come.
IT AIN'T ALWAYS EASY.
Post by Christ Rose They are told to render to Caesar the things which are Caesar's, pay
custom to whom custom is due, etc. (Matthew 22:21; Romans 13:7).
Yes, Christians are to be respectful to world leaders. And obey them
if it doesn't contradict the Bible. But they are not supposed to rise
up and revolt. Catholics and others are known to do that.
-- Revised Standard
Titus 3:1 REMIND THEM to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to
be obedient, to be ready for any honest work,
-- New King James
Romans 13:1 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities.
For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that
exist are appointed by God.
Post by Christ Rose They are told to submit themselves to every ordinance of man (1 Peter
2:13-14), unless it requires disobeying God (Acts 5:29).
Isn't that what I showed right above?
Post by Christ Rose Paul made use of his legal rights to appeal to Caesar (Acts 25:11).
We vote, which is also a powerful form of involvement in politics.
Yes, high involvement in the worlds' affairs. We don't prevent anyone
from voting, but stay neutral as to political affairs, as per the
Bible.
Post by Christ Rose Recently, the Amish in Pennsylvania voted for the first time. 200,000
of them used their rights to oppose government overreach into their
religious liberties
(https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/31531949/amish-voters-unprecedented-pennsylvania-trump/).
There is nothing in the Bible stating that you can't improve your way
of living. Using horse and buggy for transportation (does save on gas,
but not on hay), not getting electricity (no high electric bill, but
no refrigeration or TV), and no tractors for their fields of produce,
its all by hand and animal, which should build good muscles though).
Well, his followers tried to make Jesus King, and he ran away. He said
his Kingdom wasn't of this world. Wait a minute, don't churches say a
physical return to earth? That would make his Kingdom here, would it
not? But Jesus said just the opposite. Notice:
-- New King James
John 18:36 Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not of this world. If My
kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should
not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here.''
Yes at Jesus return, he will be ruling from Heaven. Not from earth.
Post by Christ RosePost by z***@windstream.net(5) The true religion has respect for God's word, whether it says to
avoid the intake of blood,
The situation in the early church was that there were Jewish and Gentile
worshipers together for the first time. This may indicate that the
prohibition of blood was for the purpose of not offending the conscience
of the Jewish Christians.
"May" is not a definite. Let's see if the Bible concerning blood talks
about offending consciences of Jewish Christians.
Acts 15:28,29. It says to ABSTAIN from a bunch of things like idols,
etc. and for blood it says "from blood". Or to summarize it:
"ABSTAIN...FROM BLOOD".
Nothing about consciences, or Jewish Christians or anything else for
that matter. It just says to abstain from blood. Period. Am I twisting
the Scriptures here? Am I contradicting the Bible? Please tell and
show me.
Wasn't Paul an educated man? He knew the Bible would be for the future
also. Wouldn't he have worded it different if it wasn't for us today?
Post by Christ RoseThe general principle is that we should not
call unclean what God has made clean, as both Acts and 1 Timothy 4
confirm (Acts 10:15; 1 Timothy 4:4-5).
Post by z***@windstream.netor to not mix in pagan worship, such as
Halloween, with true worship. (Ac 15:29; 1 Co 10:21; 2 Co 6:14-17)
Correct, but some of these have more to do with not violating a weak
conscience than being sin. For example, Paul said if someone offers you
meat, don't ask where it came from, because we know an idol is nothing
(1 Corinthians 10:25-26). However, if the person tells you it was
offered to an idol, then you don't eat it--not for the sake of you but
for their weak conscience (1 Corinthians 10:28-29).
Yes, I believe all Scriptures.
Post by Christ RosePost by z***@windstream.net(6) True religion is a way of everyday life, not a ritual which is
practiced just on Sunday, etc. (1 Co 10:31)
"Jehovahs Witnesses" often adhere to rigid rules, such as refusing
blood transfusions
Do you agree with my comments and Scriptures above on blood?
Post by Christ Roseor avoiding national symbols, which they claim honors
God.
You mean a god.
National symbols like American flag? In the Navy I must have saluted
it 100's of times. I thought nothing of it at the time. Until I
started reading the Bible after I got out. I was a Catholic then.
But for a second let's look at the opening words of The Pledge of
Allegiance:
"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America,"
What? We give our ALLEGIANCE to a large piece of colored cloth? Then
what are synonymes of "allegiance"?
Synonyms
adhesion
attachment
commitment
constancy
dedication
devotedness
devotion
faith
faithfulness
fastness
fealty
fidelity
loyalty
piety
steadfastness
It sounds to me like such words should be targeted toward Almighty God
and His Son, Jesus. Not a piece of cloth. But that's just what I think
about it.
Post by Christ RoseHowever, their approach to "everyday life" often results >in a
works-based or ritualistic lifestyle, where rigid adherence to
external behaviors takes precedence over a true heart transformation and
personal faith in Christ alone for salvation (Ephesians 2:8-9).
Instead of showing the freedom that comes from a personal relationship
with Christ, they impose restrictions that often appear more about
organizational control than personal conviction. In doing so, they risk
promoting a form of ritualism that undermines the principle of living
freely for Gods glory, as Paul intended. This contrasts with the Bible
emphasis on salvation by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, where
believers are free to serve God without burdening others with human-made
restrictions (Galatians 5:1, 13).
As part of the true Christian religion, we are ordered to obey our
spiritual leaders. You just better hope he knows the true Bible facts.
-- New King James
Hebrews 13:17 Obey those who rule over you, and be submissive, for
they watch out for your souls, as those who must give account. Let
them do so with joy and not with grief, for that would be unprofitable
for you.
Post by Christ RosePost by z***@windstream.net(7) In the "last days" you will find the true worshippers teaching
others, in all the earth, about the good news of God's "kingdom". This
must happen before the "end" comes. (Mt 24:14)
But the true worshipers are proclaiming the true gospel, which
acknowledges Jesus as God (John 4:23-24; John 8:24; John 20:28),
Alright, Jesus is God scripture John 4:23,24,
23. "But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers
will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking
such to worship Him.
24. "God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit
and truth.'' (NKJV)
Not a peep here about Jesus being God. Next one, John 8:24,
-- New King James
John 8:24 "Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins;
for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.''
"that I am He". The Messiah? The Son of God?
"He" who? If it means GOD, Jesus should have said, ' if you do not
believe that I am God".
And he said "I am". If Jesus says I am, that makes him God. Then these
must be God also:
"For I am not ashamed of the good news..." (Rom 1:16; NKJV)
"I am as good as dead,..." (Isaiah 6:5; NKJV)
"My lord, I am shuddering because of the vision" (Dan 10:16; NKJV)
Post by Christ Rosenot
doing everything in their power to scrub Jesus' deity from the Bible to
the eternal, conscious torment and damnation of those who agree
(Galatians 1:8-9).
There you go again making God out to be a fiery demon. He has been
patient so far, but He won't always be.
Gal 1:8,9,
8. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel
to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.
9. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches
any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be
accursed.
Christendom don't stand a chance! They have been preaching a different
gospel for years. We have told them many times Bible truths, but they
have rejected them. Soon God will reject them.
Post by Christ RosePost by z***@windstream.netThus when you find all those scriptural marks applying to a religion,
you have found the "one faith" religion of the Bible.
Which is not the "Jehovah's Witnesses" cult. Jesus is YHWH.
Do JW's qualify as a cult? Let;s see:
The World Book Dictionary defines "cult" as:
"cult, noun.1. a system of religious worship, especially with
reference to its rites and ceremonies."
Congratulations! If you are religious, you are in a cult!
Here is another dictionary definition by Merriam-Webster that makes
JW's one:
"cult....a small religious group that is not part of a larger and more
accepted religion and that has beliefs regared by may people as
extreme or dangerous."
That fits the first century Christians and the start of the
JW's. How?
1) "cult....a small religious group that is not part of a larger and
more accepted religion..."
First century Christians started off small and were not supporting
Judaeism, the common religion at the time in that area.
2) "and that has beliefs regared by may people as extreme or
dangerous."
First century Christians were persecuted continuously, and also
executed for their beliefs. Similar things happened with JW's.
3) Cults usually follow a charasmatic leader. The first century
Christians followed Jesus. It is the same with JW's.
So are JW's a cult? The FACTS show a positive NO!
Post by Christ RoseNow, ignore this for three weeks, then come back, make the same
arguments again, and pretend like you never heard the above responses,
even after reviewing links which show they were provided.
It takes time to answer the many false statements made about the Bible
and JW's. And I am sure you want the best and most factual answers.
You don't know my schedule or where I live. We live right in the
hurricane zone. And this year we got whacked. Our garage looks like we
put in on a track, and a high speed train came along and practically
vaporized it.
We had over 20 trees crashing to the ground ALL AROUND OUR HOUSE. But
thank Jehovah God none hit it. The JW's came in with heavy machinery
and chopped most of them up and put them out to the road. Our cost to
them? zero.
So don't be so quick to criticize something you know nothing about. I
am just glad I was able to Scripturally answer this one.
Sincerely James.
How really do we treat others
Do we 'lord it over them'?
Go to jw.org for a
Bible discussion on it.
11/8/2024
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