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Robert
2024-10-23 02:13:15 UTC
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A little girl whose eyes were healed. She could not see further than 3 or 4
feet, and 3 minutes later she could see a clock across the auditorium.

To the Glory of God! Now she is smiling, a happy smile.
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Christ Rose
2024-10-23 05:05:07 UTC
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Post by Robert
A little girl whose eyes were healed. She could not see further than 3 or 4
feet, and 3 minutes later she could see a clock across the auditorium.
To the Glory of God! Now she is smiling, a happy smile.
How do you know her eyes were either not functioning beforehand or
restored?

15 evidences signs and wonders ceased by the end of the apostle's
ministries (https://christrose.news/ceased).
--
Have you heard the good news Christ died for our sins (†), and God
raised Him from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death
penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death
satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John
2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your
sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved.'" (Romans 10:13, ESV)

https://christrose.news/salvation
Rod E.
2024-10-24 16:27:44 UTC
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Post by Robert
A little girl whose eyes were healed. She could not see further than 3 or 4
feet, and 3 minutes later she could see a clock across the auditorium.
To the Glory of God! Now she is smiling, a happy smile.
How do you know her eyes were either not functioning beforehand or
restored?
15 evidences signs and wonders ceased by the end of the apostle's
ministries (https://christrose.news/ceased).
You are dead wrong! I have lived thru 5 miracles in my lifetime
and I would not be alive now if God had no intervened.
Christ Rose
2024-10-24 17:37:27 UTC
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"Rod E." <***@gmail.com>
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Post by Christ Rose
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Post by Robert
A little girl whose eyes were healed. She could not see further than 3 or 4
feet, and 3 minutes later she could see a clock across the auditorium.
To the Glory of God! Now she is smiling, a happy smile.
How do you know her eyes were either not functioning beforehand or
restored?
15 evidences signs and wonders ceased by the end of the apostle's
ministries (https://christrose.news/ceased).
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Thu, 24 Oct 2024 11:30:08 -0500
<vfdsmi$2mqi6$***@dont-email.me>
"Rod E." <***@gmail.com>
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An evil generation seeking a sign or proof.
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Correct!
Post by Rod E.
You are dead wrong!
• Easy to say. Let's see you provide specific refutations from the
Bible, for each of those 15 Bible evidences. Show specifically how they
are incorrect, and what the correct understanding is. Don't expect me to
drop what I know the Bible to teach, just because someone comes along
and objects to it. If you want to change my mind, make a persuasive case
from Scripture.
Post by Rod E.
I have lived thru 5 miracles in my lifetime
and I would not be alive now if God had no intervened.
• There's a difference between God's supernatural intervention, and
"miracles," "signs," and "wonders." You may well have been the
beneficiary of God's supernatural intervention, but those were not
signs, wonders, or miracles.

God's supernatural intervention includes things like persuading kings to
be favorably disposed towards Israel (Ezra 6:22), hardening Pharaoh's
heart (Exodus 4:21), preventing Abimelech from touching Sarah (Genesis
20:6), making Nebuchadnezzar eat grass like an ox (Daniel 4:32-33),
bringing Esther to power (Esther 4:14), and guiding Cyrus to decree the
rebuilding of the temple (Isaiah 44:28).

• Miracles, signs, and wonders happened for the specific purpose of
confirming the proclamation of the gospel (Mark 16:20), and to testify
to Israel by a people of strange tongues (Isaiah 28:11-12). Hebrews
2:3-4 shows those signs and wonders have already confirmed the
proclamation of the gospel, and Romans shows Israel did not believe,
even when the strange tongues occurred (Romans 10:19-21). John expects
us to believe because of his testimony about the miracles, not because
people actually had to see them for themselves (John 20:31-32). As you
noted, an evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign (Matthew 12:39).

• Most people erroneously confuse the denial that God has to keep on
validating the gospel with signs, wonders (since it was already
confirmed and it's an evil and adulterous generation which seeks after
the signs), with the idea they're claiming God is no longer able to
intervene supernaturally. It does not follow that if you admit God
already confirmed the gospel with signs, wonders, and miracles, so that
this is no longer necessary for Him to do, you're somehow denying that
God is able to intervene supernaturally, if and when He chooses.
--
Have you heard the good news Christ died for our sins (†), and God
raised Him from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death
penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death
satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John
2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your
sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved.'" (Romans 10:13, ESV)

https://christrose.news/salvation
Rod E.
2024-10-25 16:03:42 UTC
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Post by Christ Rose
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Thu, 24 Oct 2024 11:27:44 -0500
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Post by Rod E.
Post by Christ Rose
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Tue, 22 Oct 2024 19:13:15 -0700
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Post by Robert
A little girl whose eyes were healed. She could not see further than 3 or 4
feet, and 3 minutes later she could see a clock across the auditorium.
To the Glory of God! Now she is smiling, a happy smile.
How do you know her eyes were either not functioning beforehand or
restored?
15 evidences signs and wonders ceased by the end of the apostle's
ministries (https://christrose.news/ceased).
========================================
Thu, 24 Oct 2024 11:30:08 -0500
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An evil generation seeking a sign or proof.
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Correct!
Post by Rod E.
You are dead wrong!
• Easy to say. Let's see you provide specific refutations from the
Bible, for each of those 15 Bible evidences. Show specifically how they
are incorrect, and what the correct understanding is. Don't expect me to
drop what I know the Bible to teach, just because someone comes along
and objects to it. If you want to change my mind, make a persuasive case
from Scripture.
I had no intention of changing your mind. I leave that up to GOD.
Post by Christ Rose
Post by Rod E.
I have lived thru 5 miracles in my lifetime
and I would not be alive now if God had no intervened.
• There's a difference between God's supernatural intervention, and
"miracles," "signs," and "wonders." You may well have been the
beneficiary of God's supernatural intervention, but those were not
signs, wonders, or miracles.\
That rests with one's idea of what defines a miracle.
Post by Christ Rose
God's supernatural intervention includes things like persuading kings to
be favorably disposed towards Israel (Ezra 6:22), hardening Pharaoh's
heart (Exodus 4:21), preventing Abimelech from touching Sarah (Genesis
20:6), making Nebuchadnezzar eat grass like an ox (Daniel 4:32-33),
bringing Esther to power (Esther 4:14), and guiding Cyrus to decree the
rebuilding of the temple (Isaiah 44:28).
• Miracles, signs, and wonders happened for the specific purpose of
confirming the proclamation of the gospel (Mark 16:20), and to testify
to Israel by a people of strange tongues (Isaiah 28:11-12). Hebrews
2:3-4 shows those signs and wonders have already confirmed the
proclamation of the gospel, and Romans shows Israel did not believe,
even when the strange tongues occurred (Romans 10:19-21). John expects
us to believe because of his testimony about the miracles, not because
people actually had to see them for themselves (John 20:31-32). As you
noted, an evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign (Matthew 12:39).
• Most people erroneously confuse the denial that God has to keep on
validating the gospel with signs, wonders (since it was already
confirmed and it's an evil and adulterous generation which seeks after
the signs), with the idea they're claiming God is no longer able to
intervene supernaturally. It does not follow that if you admit God
already confirmed the gospel with signs, wonders, and miracles, so that
this is no longer necessary for Him to do, you're somehow denying that
God is able to intervene supernaturally, if and when He chooses.
As I am a hot mess when it comes to accidents...He has been busy just
keeping me alive.
In the Name of Jesus
2024-10-24 20:44:18 UTC
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Post by Robert
A little girl whose eyes were healed. She could not see further than 3 or 4
feet, and 3 minutes later she could see a clock across the auditorium.
To the Glory of God! Now she is smiling, a happy smile.
How do you know her eyes were either not functioning beforehand or
restored?
It is not relevant.

With God, all things are possible.
Post by Christ Rose
15 evidences signs and wonders ceased by the end of the apostle's
ministries (https://christrose.news/ceased).
If signs and wonders ceased by the end of the apostles, then no one
since then would be saved. Salvation is the greatest sign and wonder.







In the Name of Jesus
--
God is God in all His Being. All the glory is His, for He is all glory.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything, He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free, and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

"The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence or proof is to be found."

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not so that a book could pass
through it for a sinner to play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: a man full of bluster and bullshit in his
meaninglessness pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

"What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence."

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God; God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

"Atheism: "The claim that life received from itself."

"But remember this: always, absolutely always, all the glory is the
Lord's and His alone, and anyone who takes any credit for anything, you
know, instantly, he is not what he pretends to be and is a false prophet."

"That light had to bear (bears all things) the darkness for us, but that
light did not ever become darkness."

"You must reach beyond the bible that tells you about Him, and into your
daily life to find Him in Person. He's there."

"What is wrong with Christendom? False understanding based on compromise."

"It is not in man to love his enemies. And if he tries, he is walking in
a lie and trying to raise himself up to the level of God."

"God has to be quiet now; we have our bible." Well, then, who is going
to speak?
Christ Rose
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Post by Christ Rose
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Post by Robert
A little girl whose eyes were healed. She could not see further than 3 or 4
feet, and 3 minutes later she could see a clock across the auditorium.
To the Glory of God! Now she is smiling, a happy smile.
How do you know her eyes were either not functioning beforehand or
restored?
It is not relevant.
With God, all things are possible.
--False dichotomy.

• The choices are not a) either signs and wonders have not ceased, or b)
you believe God is not able to do all things. The answer is c) God
remains able to do all things, but no longer confirms with signs and
wonders what He has already confirmed (Hebrews 2:3-4), for the sake of
an evil generation which seeks after signs.
Post by In the Name of Jesus
Post by Christ Rose
15 evidences signs and wonders ceased by the end of the apostle's
ministries (https://christrose.news/ceased).
If signs and wonders ceased by the end of the apostles, then no one
since then would be saved. Salvation is the greatest sign and wonder.
You, as many others, try to conflate signs and wonders with supernatural
intervention.

• There's a difference between God's supernatural intervention, and
"miracles," "signs," and "wonders." You may well have been the
beneficiary of God's supernatural intervention (such as being saved
through faith in Christ), but those were not signs, wonders, or miracles.

God's supernatural intervention includes things like saving the lost (1
Peter 1:23), persuading kings to be favorably disposed towards Israel
(Ezra 6:22), hardening Pharaoh's heart (Exodus 4:21), preventing
Abimelech from touching Sarah (Genesis 20:6), making Nebuchadnezzar eat
grass like an ox (Daniel 4:32-33), bringing Esther to power (Esther
4:14), and guiding Cyrus to decree the rebuilding of the temple (Isaiah
44:28).

• Miracles, signs, and wonders happened for the specific purpose of
confirming the proclamation of the gospel (Mark 16:20), and to testify
to Israel by a people of strange tongues (Isaiah 28:11-12). Hebrews
2:3-4 shows those signs and wonders have already confirmed the
proclamation of the gospel, and Romans shows Israel did not believe,
even when the strange tongues occurred (Romans 10:19-21). John expects
us to believe because of his testimony about the miracles, not because
people actually had to see them for themselves (John 20:31-32). As you
noted, an evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign (Matthew 12:39).

• Most people erroneously confuse the denial that God has to keep on
validating the gospel with signs, wonders (since it was already
confirmed and it's an evil and adulterous generation which seeks after
the signs), with the idea they're claiming God is no longer able to
intervene supernaturally. It does not follow that if you admit God
already confirmed the gospel with signs, wonders, and miracles, so that
this is no longer necessary for Him to do, you're somehow denying that
God is able to intervene supernaturally, if and when He chooses.

Now, flap your mouth without actually addressing anything the Bible
actually says, while pretending you know better.
--
Have you heard the good news Christ died for our sins (†), and God
raised Him from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death
penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death
satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John
2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your
sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved.'" (Romans 10:13, ESV)

https://christrose.news/salvation
In the Name of Jesus
2024-10-24 22:03:58 UTC
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Post by Christ Rose
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Post by Robert
A little girl whose eyes were healed. She could not see further than 3 or 4
feet, and 3 minutes later she could see a clock across the auditorium.
To the Glory of God! Now she is smiling, a happy smile.
How do you know her eyes were either not functioning beforehand or
restored?
It is not relevant.
With God, all things are possible.
--False dichotomy.
With God, all things are possible. No change.

You can't win, you're a sinner, Rosie!

God is not going to conform to your image.





In the Name of Jesus
Post by Christ Rose
• The choices are not a) either signs and wonders have not ceased, or b)
you believe God is not able to do all things. The answer is c) God
remains able to do all things, but no longer confirms with signs and
wonders what He has already confirmed (Hebrews 2:3-4), for the sake of
an evil generation which seeks after signs.
Post by In the Name of Jesus
Post by Christ Rose
15 evidences signs and wonders ceased by the end of the apostle's
ministries (https://christrose.news/ceased).
If signs and wonders ceased by the end of the apostles, then no one
since then would be saved. Salvation is the greatest sign and wonder.
You, as many others, try to conflate signs and wonders with supernatural
intervention.
• There's a difference between God's supernatural intervention, and
"miracles," "signs," and "wonders." You may well have been the
beneficiary of God's supernatural intervention (such as being saved
through faith in Christ), but those were not signs, wonders, or miracles.
God's supernatural intervention includes things like saving the lost (1
Peter 1:23), persuading kings to be favorably disposed towards Israel
(Ezra 6:22), hardening Pharaoh's heart (Exodus 4:21), preventing
Abimelech from touching Sarah (Genesis 20:6), making Nebuchadnezzar eat
grass like an ox (Daniel 4:32-33), bringing Esther to power (Esther
4:14), and guiding Cyrus to decree the rebuilding of the temple (Isaiah
44:28).
• Miracles, signs, and wonders happened for the specific purpose of
confirming the proclamation of the gospel (Mark 16:20), and to testify
to Israel by a people of strange tongues (Isaiah 28:11-12). Hebrews
2:3-4 shows those signs and wonders have already confirmed the
proclamation of the gospel, and Romans shows Israel did not believe,
even when the strange tongues occurred (Romans 10:19-21). John expects
us to believe because of his testimony about the miracles, not because
people actually had to see them for themselves (John 20:31-32). As you
noted, an evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign (Matthew 12:39).
• Most people erroneously confuse the denial that God has to keep on
validating the gospel with signs, wonders (since it was already
confirmed and it's an evil and adulterous generation which seeks after
the signs), with the idea they're claiming God is no longer able to
intervene supernaturally. It does not follow that if you admit God
already confirmed the gospel with signs, wonders, and miracles, so that
this is no longer necessary for Him to do, you're somehow denying that
God is able to intervene supernaturally, if and when He chooses.
Now, flap your mouth without actually addressing anything the Bible
actually says, while pretending you know better.
--
God is God in all His Being. All the glory is His, for He is all glory.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything, He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free, and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

"The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence or proof is to be found."

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not so that a book could pass
through it for a sinner to play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: a man full of bluster and bullshit in his
meaninglessness pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

"What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence."

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God; God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

"Atheism: "The claim that life received from itself."

"But remember this: always, absolutely always, all the glory is the
Lord's and His alone, and anyone who takes any credit for anything, you
know, instantly, he is not what he pretends to be and is a false prophet."

"That light had to bear (bears all things) the darkness for us, but that
light did not ever become darkness."

"You must reach beyond the bible that tells you about Him, and into your
daily life to find Him in Person. He's there."

"What is wrong with Christendom? False understanding based on compromise."

"It is not in man to love his enemies. And if he tries, he is walking in
a lie and trying to raise himself up to the level of God."

"God has to be quiet now; we have our bible." Well, then, who is going
to speak?
Robert
2024-10-24 00:41:32 UTC
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A little girl whose eyes were healed. She could not see further than 3 or 4
feet, and 3 minutes later she could see a clock across the auditorium.
To the Glory of God! Now she is smiling, a happy smile.
You say that like it is a surprise.
tschus
pyotr
Not at all! I just wanted to post what I saw for all the naysayers.
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Post by Robert
A little girl whose eyes were healed. She could not see further than 3 or 4
feet, and 3 minutes later she could see a clock across the auditorium.
To the Glory of God! Now she is smiling, a happy smile.
You say that like it is a surprise.
tschus
pyotr
Not at all! I just wanted to post what I saw for all the naysayers.
So again we have Robert telling us that a healing happened. How do you
know that the girl had problems seeing beforehand and then was healed
afterward?
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Have you heard the good news Christ died for our sins (†), and God
raised Him from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death
penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death
satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John
2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your
sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved.'" (Romans 10:13, ESV)

https://christrose.news/salvation
pyotr filipivich
2024-10-26 17:20:41 UTC
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Post by Robert
A little girl whose eyes were healed. She could not see further than 3 or 4
feet, and 3 minutes later she could see a clock across the auditorium.
To the Glory of God! Now she is smiling, a happy smile.
You say that like it is a surprise.
tschus
pyotr
Not at all! I just wanted to post what I saw for all the naysayers.
So again we have Robert telling us that a healing happened. How do you
know that the girl had problems seeing beforehand and then was healed
afterward?
Robert saw it, he believes it, that settles it.
tschus
pyotr

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You in your way, and I in His."
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2024-10-26 19:49:45 UTC
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Post by Robert
A little girl whose eyes were healed. She could not see further than 3 or 4
feet, and 3 minutes later she could see a clock across the auditorium.
To the Glory of God! Now she is smiling, a happy smile.
You say that like it is a surprise.
tschus
pyotr
Not at all! I just wanted to post what I saw for all the naysayers.
So again we have Robert telling us that a healing happened. How do you
know that the girl had problems seeing beforehand and then was healed
afterward?
Robert saw it, he believes it, that settles it.
tschus
pyotr
As I recall, I stated that her mother was there and described what the doctor
diagnosed her with and that this was since birth. And it was her mother that
brought her back a few minutes after she was prayed for and stated how the
little girl saw the clock st the other side of the church auditorium.

That you all doubt the workings and power of God over that of the enemy says
a lot about your faith in God.
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As I recall, I stated that her mother was there and described what the doctor
diagnosed her with and that this was since birth. And it was her mother that
brought her back a few minutes after she was prayed for and stated how the
little girl saw the clock st the other side of the church auditorium.
So you saw some woman claiming all this happened. I saw an old man in a
wheel chair jump up out of it and claim he was handicapped for thirty
years, until that moment. Later, he was exposed as a fraud, as was
everyone in that meeting. They had an earpiece in the guy who was going
around asking about people, feeding him specific information, trying to
make it seem like he was divining the information from God. So no,
Robert telling me about a woman who claims all this happened proves
nothing.

This is especially the case, since

• Every other claim Robert has made about these kinds of things has
either been unsubstantiated or false upon investigation.

• There are 15 Bible evidences that confirm signs and wonders ceased
with the first generation eyewitnesses (https://christrose.news/ceased).
Go see that and come back and explain why I should believe Bible
contradicting lies about signs and wonders.
Post by Robert
That you all doubt the workings and power of God over that of the enemy says
a lot about your faith in God.
Listen, tool. We don't have to believe a miracle happens every time you
claim one does, without any evidence whatsoever. --Especially when every
case you've mentioned so far has turned out to be completely false or
unsubstantiated, and the Bible shows otherwise, even by the end of
Paul's ministry.
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raised Him from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death
penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death
satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John
2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your
sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved.'" (Romans 10:13, ESV)

https://christrose.news/salvation
Rod E.
2024-10-24 16:30:08 UTC
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Post by Robert
A little girl whose eyes were healed. She could not see further than 3 or 4
feet, and 3 minutes later she could see a clock across the auditorium.
To the Glory of God! Now she is smiling, a happy smile.
You say that like it is a surprise.
tschus
pyotr
Not at all! I just wanted to post what I saw for all the naysayers.\
Indeed! An evil generation seeking a sign or proof.
z***@windstream.net
2024-10-24 16:17:36 UTC
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Post by Robert
A little girl whose eyes were healed. She could not see further than 3 or 4
feet, and 3 minutes later she could see a clock across the auditorium.
To the Glory of God! Now she is smiling, a happy smile.
I am happy for the little girl. Yet the Bible says to be cautious.

Healings by Christians probably ended in the first century:

- New King James
1 Corinthians 13:8 Love never fails. But whether there are
prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will
cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away.

But how do we know they likely ended in the first century?

We read that these powers were "missing in the 2nd-century church, the
writers of those days speaking of them as a thing in the past-in the
apostolic age, in fact."-The Illustrated Bible Dictionary, edited by
J. D. Douglas, 1980, Vol. 1, p. 79.
(from JW library)

So then, if the little girl was miraculously cured by occult forces,
shouldn't the parents still be happy for her? What do you think? Does
the end justify the means?

Sincerely James.
Animal species are disappearing
like smoke does in the air.
Go to jw.org for
Bible answers.
10/24/2024






The Bible also tells us that not all "gifts" come from God. The
faithful apostle John warns us at 1 Jo 4:1,

"Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to
see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone
out into the world." (NIV)

And it also says that Satan will perform many 'powerful works' as
well. 2 Th 2:9,10,

"But the lawless one's presence is according to the operation of Satan
with every powerful work and lying signs and portents 10 and with
every unrighteous deception..." (NWT)

Thus, just the mere presence of one of those "gifts" doesn't mean that
it came from God. They have to be 'tested' against the written
inspired scriptures to see if they are really from God or not. (see Ac
17:11)
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2024-10-24 16:42:22 UTC
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Post by Robert
A little girl whose eyes were healed. She could not see further than 3 or 4
feet, and 3 minutes later she could see a clock across the auditorium.
To the Glory of God! Now she is smiling, a happy smile.
I am happy for the little girl. Yet the Bible says to be cautious.
- New King James
1 Corinthians 13:8 Love never fails. But whether there are
prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will
cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away.
But how do we know they likely ended in the first century?
We read that these powers were "missing in the 2nd-century church, the
writers of those days speaking of them as a thing in the past-in the
apostolic age, in fact."-The Illustrated Bible Dictionary, edited by
J. D. Douglas, 1980, Vol. 1, p. 79.
(from JW library)
So then, if the little girl was miraculously cured by occult forces,
shouldn't the parents still be happy for her? What do you think? Does
the end justify the means?
The thing is that all you have to back this up is conjecture and
your own doubts and interpretations based SOLELY upon the doubts of people
from the past leading them to a twisted interpretation of scripture.

You've no definitive evidence.
Post by z***@windstream.net
Sincerely James.
Animal species are disappearing
like smoke does in the air.
Go to jw.org for
Bible answers.
10/24/2024
The Bible also tells us that not all "gifts" come from God. The
faithful apostle John warns us at 1 Jo 4:1,
"Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to
see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone
out into the world." (NIV)
And it also says that Satan will perform many 'powerful works' as
well. 2 Th 2:9,10,
"But the lawless one's presence is according to the operation of Satan
with every powerful work and lying signs and portents 10 and with
every unrighteous deception..." (NWT)
Thus, just the mere presence of one of those "gifts" doesn't mean that
it came from God. They have to be 'tested' against the written
inspired scriptures to see if they are really from God or not. (see Ac
17:11)
z***@windstream.net
2024-10-26 19:28:22 UTC
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Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Robert
A little girl whose eyes were healed. She could not see further than 3 or 4
feet, and 3 minutes later she could see a clock across the auditorium.
To the Glory of God! Now she is smiling, a happy smile.
I am happy for the little girl. Yet the Bible says to be cautious.
- New King James
1 Corinthians 13:8 Love never fails. But whether there are
prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will
cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away.
But how do we know they likely ended in the first century?
We read that these powers were "missing in the 2nd-century church, the
writers of those days speaking of them as a thing in the past-in the
apostolic age, in fact."-The Illustrated Bible Dictionary, edited by
J. D. Douglas, 1980, Vol. 1, p. 79.
(from JW library)
So then, if the little girl was miraculously cured by occult forces,
shouldn't the parents still be happy for her? What do you think? Does
the end justify the means?
The thing is that all you have to back this up is conjecture and
your own doubts and interpretations based SOLELY upon the doubts of people
from the past leading them to a twisted interpretation of scripture.
You've no definitive evidence
I am just commenting on the chance that it really was a miracle. If it
wasn't, no need to comment. what would you do with an occult healing
of your child?

Sincerely James.
Fun for the kids. Halloween!
Fun for the demons. Halloween!
Go to jw.org for a
Bible discussion on it.
10/25/2024
Post by Rod E.
Post by z***@windstream.net
Sincerely James.
Animal species are disappearing
like smoke does in the air.
Go to jw.org for
Bible answers.
10/24/2024
The Bible also tells us that not all "gifts" come from God. The
faithful apostle John warns us at 1 Jo 4:1,
"Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to
see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone
out into the world." (NIV)
And it also says that Satan will perform many 'powerful works' as
well. 2 Th 2:9,10,
"But the lawless one's presence is according to the operation of Satan
with every powerful work and lying signs and portents 10 and with
every unrighteous deception..." (NWT)
Thus, just the mere presence of one of those "gifts" doesn't mean that
it came from God. They have to be 'tested' against the written
inspired scriptures to see if they are really from God or not. (see Ac
17:11)
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2024-10-26 20:01:09 UTC
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Post by Rod E.
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Robert
A little girl whose eyes were healed. She could not see further than 3 or 4
feet, and 3 minutes later she could see a clock across the auditorium.
To the Glory of God! Now she is smiling, a happy smile.
I am happy for the little girl. Yet the Bible says to be cautious.
- New King James
1 Corinthians 13:8 Love never fails. But whether there are
prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will
cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away.
But how do we know they likely ended in the first century?
We read that these powers were "missing in the 2nd-century church, the
writers of those days speaking of them as a thing in the past-in the
apostolic age, in fact."-The Illustrated Bible Dictionary, edited by
J. D. Douglas, 1980, Vol. 1, p. 79.
(from JW library)
So then, if the little girl was miraculously cured by occult forces,
shouldn't the parents still be happy for her? What do you think? Does
the end justify the means?
The thing is that all you have to back this up is conjecture and
your own doubts and interpretations based SOLELY upon the doubts of people
from the past leading them to a twisted interpretation of scripture.
You've no definitive evidence
I am just commenting on the chance that it really was a miracle. If it
wasn't, no need to comment. what would you do with an occult healing
of your child?
Sincerely James.
James. What God fearing person would go to a witch doctor, chanters, Voo Doo
practitioner for a healing from God?

It is after all God that heals, not the person.

“For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to
him that knocketh it shall be opened. Or what man is there of you, whom if
his son ask bread, will he give him a stone? Or if he ask a fish, will he
give him a serpent? If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto
your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good
things to them that ask him?” (Mat 7:8-11)

Let this open your eyes to the truth of the Heavenly Father.
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Rod E.
Post by z***@windstream.net
Sincerely James.
The Bible also tells us that not all "gifts" come from God. The
faithful apostle John warns us at 1 Jo 4:1,
"Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to
see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone
out into the world." (NIV)
And it also says that Satan will perform many 'powerful works' as
well. 2 Th 2:9,10,
"But the lawless one's presence is according to the operation of Satan
with every powerful work and lying signs and portents 10 and with
every unrighteous deception..." (NWT)
Thus, just the mere presence of one of those "gifts" doesn't mean that
it came from God. They have to be 'tested' against the written
inspired scriptures to see if they are really from God or not. (see Ac
17:11)
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2024-10-26 21:25:40 UTC
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James. What God fearing person would go to a witch doctor, chanters, Voo Doo
practitioner for a healing from God?
Probably the same malcontented fools who pretend like they're exercising
first-century era signs, wonders, and miracles.
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raised Him from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death
penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death
satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John
2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your
sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved.'" (Romans 10:13, ESV)

https://christrose.news/salvation
Christ Rose
2024-10-24 17:56:03 UTC
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Post by Robert
A little girl whose eyes were healed. She could not see further than 3 or 4
feet, and 3 minutes later she could see a clock across the auditorium.
To the Glory of God! Now she is smiling, a happy smile.
I am happy for the little girl.
What evidence has anyone furnished that she in fact had a problem with
her vision, or that it was then restored? We have Robert telling us he
saw it. He may have watched a video that made such a claim. It's hard
telling. What I can tell you is that after investigating every case he's
mentioned, that I am aware of, all of them have turned out to be
unsubstantiated at best.

For example, recently he posted claims that there were signs following
an ongoing Revival in the Amazon. I watched the video and carefully
analyzed a verbatim transcript. There wasn't a single instance where the
video said anything at all about signs following the current revival in
the Amazon. There was one missionary couple that claimed signs happened
over "thirty years" ago in "Peru", but nothing at all about any signs
that were currently following the revival.

Robert evidently did a 2 minute word search for something like "signs
happening", and that 30 year old missionary claim popped up. He
evidently didn't even bother watching the video himself before he
presented it as evidence of ongoing, modern confirmation of signs and
wonders. Further, the video showed no signs or wonders happening. It's
been things like this every time. Therefore, I am not obligated to take
Robert's word for it. He regularly makes claims like this, then they
turn out to be unsubstantiated.
Post by z***@windstream.net
Yet the Bible says to be cautious.
They most certainly did. Here are 15 Bible evidences:

https://christrose.news/ceased.
Post by z***@windstream.net
- New King James
1 Corinthians 13:8 Love never fails. But whether there are
prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will
cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away.
But how do we know they likely ended in the first century?
We read that these powers were "missing in the 2nd-century church, the
writers of those days speaking of them as a thing in the past-in the
apostolic age, in fact."-The Illustrated Bible Dictionary, edited by
J. D. Douglas, 1980, Vol. 1, p. 79.
These are correct observations. However, I do not want to confuse the
fact you got this right, with the idea that I reject Christ's deity as
you do, or thereby promote a false, damnable gospel that will lead men
to hell, as I understand you do.
Post by z***@windstream.net
So then, if the little girl was miraculously cured by occult forces,
shouldn't the parents still be happy for her? What do you think? Does
the end justify the means?
Why do we have to keep pretending like these frauds have a case until
proved otherwise? I've seen and investigated enough fraudulent claims
about signs and wonders still happening, and none of them has been
substantiated. When Jesus did real signs and wonders, everyone knew
about it, and they were thronged by the masses. If they were actually
doing these things, they wouldn't have to persuade you to believe they
happened. You'd be seeing it for yourself, as the masses throng them.
That isn't happening.
Post by z***@windstream.net
The Bible also tells us that not all "gifts" come from God. The
faithful apostle John warns us at 1 Jo 4:1,
"Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to
see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone
out into the world." (NIV)
And in the entire epistle of 1 John, which tells us how to discern the
children of God from the children of the devil (1 John 3:10), there
isn't a single, solitary reference to signs and wonders or miracles.
It's all about the fruit of love (1 John 4:7-8), a life characterized by
right living (1 John 2:29; 3:7), confession of Christ (1 John 4:2-3),
being rejected and not listened to by the world (1 John 4:5-6), not
speaking in a way that the world agrees with (1 John 2:15-16). None of
it even mentions that you'll know true believers by the signs and
wonders they're doing (1 John 5:1-5).
Post by z***@windstream.net
And it also says that Satan will perform many 'powerful works' as
well. 2 Th 2:9,10,
"But the lawless one's presence is according to the operation of Satan
with every powerful work and lying signs and portents 10 and with
every unrighteous deception..." (NWT)
Thus, just the mere presence of one of those "gifts" doesn't mean that
it came from God. They have to be 'tested' against the written
inspired scriptures to see if they are really from God or not. (see Ac
17:11)
That's assuming the whole show wasn't just a fraud. I've seen
Charismatics getting caught in this left and right, where they are
exposed for having a speaker in the ears of the guy with the microphone,
feeding him information about the people he's supposedly healing, and
how the people faked things like jumping up out of wheel-chairs,
claiming they have been disabled for decades till that moment, etc.
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raised Him from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death
penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death
satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John
2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your
sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved.'" (Romans 10:13, ESV)

https://christrose.news/salvation
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2024-10-26 20:12:03 UTC
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Post by Robert
A little girl whose eyes were healed. She could not see further than 3 or 4
feet, and 3 minutes later she could see a clock across the auditorium.
To the Glory of God! Now she is smiling, a happy smile.
I am happy for the little girl.
What evidence has anyone furnished that she in fact had a problem with
her vision, or that it was then restored? We have Robert telling us he
saw it. He may have watched a video that made such a claim. It's hard
telling. What I can tell you is that after investigating every case he's
mentioned, that I am aware of, all of them have turned out to be
unsubstantiated at best.
For example, recently he posted claims that there were signs following
an ongoing Revival in the Amazon. I watched the video and carefully
analyzed a verbatim transcript. There wasn't a single instance where the
video said anything at all about signs following the current revival in
the Amazon. There was one missionary couple that claimed signs happened
over "thirty years" ago in "Peru", but nothing at all about any signs
that were currently following the revival.
Robert evidently did a 2 minute word search for something like "signs
happening", and that 30 year old missionary claim popped up. He
evidently didn't even bother watching the video himself before he
presented it as evidence of ongoing, modern confirmation of signs and
wonders. Further, the video showed no signs or wonders happening. It's
been things like this every time. Therefore, I am not obligated to take
Robert's word for it. He regularly makes claims like this, then they
turn out to be unsubstantiated.
Post by z***@windstream.net
Yet the Bible says to be cautious.
https://christrose.news/ceased.
Post by z***@windstream.net
- New King James
1 Corinthians 13:8 Love never fails. But whether there are
prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will
cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away.
But how do we know they likely ended in the first century?
We read that these powers were "missing in the 2nd-century church, the
writers of those days speaking of them as a thing in the past-in the
apostolic age, in fact."-The Illustrated Bible Dictionary, edited by
J. D. Douglas, 1980, Vol. 1, p. 79.
These are correct observations. However, I do not want to confuse the
fact you got this right, with the idea that I reject Christ's deity as
you do, or thereby promote a false, damnable gospel that will lead men
to hell, as I understand you do.
Post by z***@windstream.net
So then, if the little girl was miraculously cured by occult forces,
shouldn't the parents still be happy for her? What do you think? Does
the end justify the means?
Why do we have to keep pretending like these frauds have a case until
proved otherwise? I've seen and investigated enough fraudulent claims
about signs and wonders still happening, and none of them has been
substantiated. When Jesus did real signs and wonders, everyone knew
about it, and they were thronged by the masses. If they were actually
doing these things, they wouldn't have to persuade you to believe they
happened. You'd be seeing it for yourself, as the masses throng them.
That isn't happening.
You have a right to your opinions. However I prefer TRUE facts over
opinions.

If Jesus was God, we should shout that from the rooftops. And I would
be one to lead the way.

But if Jesus is not God, Then people are worshipping a creation of
God, and not God himself. And that wouldn't make Him happy: Ex 20:1-6,

"1. And God spoke all these words, saying:
2. "I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of
Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3. "You shall have no other gods before Me.
4. "You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness
of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath,
or that is in the water under the earth;
5. you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord
your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on
the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me,
6. but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My
commandments." (NKJV)
Post by Christ Rose
Post by z***@windstream.net
The Bible also tells us that not all "gifts" come from God. The
faithful apostle John warns us at 1 Jo 4:1,
"Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to
see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone
out into the world." (NIV)
And in the entire epistle of 1 John, which tells us how to discern the
children of God from the children of the devil (1 John 3:10), there
isn't a single, solitary reference to signs and wonders or miracles.
That doesn't in any way water down what John wrote at 1 John 4:1 about
being cautious. There are claimed miracles that occur at religious
events.

They can occur because the BIBLE says Satan can perform marvelous
signs. And his demon brothers aren't just standing around doing
nothing.
Post by Christ Rose
It's all about the fruit of love (1 John 4:7-8), a life characterized by
right living (1 John 2:29; 3:7), confession of Christ (1 John 4:2-3),
being rejected and not listened to by the world (1 John 4:5-6), not
speaking in a way that the world agrees with (1 John 2:15-16). None of
it even mentions that you'll know true believers by the signs and
wonders they're doing (1 John 5:1-5).
Yes, the Bible says to be "no part of the world". That just doesn't
mean to avoid devious acts. The Jews wanted to make Jesus a King. (a
political position) Jesus made a disappearance.

Thus, one aspect of being no part of the world, is to avoid
involvement with political activities. You are right in the world and
a part of it with those.
Post by Christ Rose
Post by z***@windstream.net
And it also says that Satan will perform many 'powerful works' as
well. 2 Th 2:9,10,
"But the lawless one's presence is according to the operation of Satan
with every powerful work and lying signs and portents 10 and with
every unrighteous deception..." (NWT)
Thus, just the mere presence of one of those "gifts" doesn't mean that
it came from God. They have to be 'tested' against the written
inspired scriptures to see if they are really from God or not. (see Ac
17:11)
That's assuming the whole show wasn't just a fraud. I've seen
Charismatics getting caught in this left and right, where they are
exposed for having a speaker in the ears of the guy with the microphone,
feeding him information about the people he's supposedly healing, and
how the people faked things like jumping up out of wheel-chairs,
claiming they have been disabled for decades till that moment, etc.
Yes, there are charlatans everywhere, esp in religion. And not just
here in the USA, but all over the world. Esp where the people are not
very educated or are illiterate ones.

Sincerely James.
Fun for the kids. Halloween!
Fun for the demons. Halloween!
Go to jw.org for a
Bible discussion on it.
10/25/2024
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Post by z***@windstream.net
You have a right to your opinions. However I prefer TRUE facts over
opinions.
I didn't base anything on "opinions". I based it on what the Bible says,
and what they say. Provide your "true facts" (are there false "facts"?)
that refute these 15 Bible evidences that signs and wonders ceased
during the lifetime of Paul: https://christrose.news/ceased.
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Have you heard the good news Christ died for our sins (†), and God
raised Him from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death
penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death
satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John
2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your
sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved.'" (Romans 10:13, ESV)

https://christrose.news/salvation
Robert
2024-10-24 22:18:56 UTC
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Post by Robert
A little girl whose eyes were healed. She could not see further than 3 or 4
feet, and 3 minutes later she could see a clock across the auditorium.
To the Glory of God! Now she is smiling, a happy smile.
I am happy for the little girl. Yet the Bible says to be cautious.
Really, Did you just lie? Compare this to what you asked below, for it
appears you have answered your question as to whether or not God or Satan
healed her and should anyone care?
Looks to me like you and AI Rosie are cut from the same cloth here.
Post by z***@windstream.net
- New King James
1 Corinthians 13:8 Love never fails. But whether there are
prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will
cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away.
But how do we know they likely ended in the first century?
Are you lacking knowledge and unwise? Would this not true for all books
written after the first century unto this day and beyond? Does this not
render your posts as well as AI Rosie’s null and void, and that neither of
you or any other person of any religious persuasion null and void? Would not
that thinking also mean that the Holy Spirit stopped helping people to
understand the Bible?

Did God stop and nullify all the prophecies that the prophets in the OT
spoke, and nullify all that Jesus Prophesied?

Also, this begs the question to you, as you do not believe Jesus was God,
then what about His works, His teachings, are they not also all nullified?

One thing for sure, as the word of the Lord has said, According to thy faith,
be it unto you. And from what you all speak who spout this doctrine of
devils, and understand not what they mean, you believe that Satan still has
the power to destroy flesh, inflict evil, and that God has abandoned us all
and turn us all over to Satan.

Jesus promised us, before He left and was resurrected that ....

Jhn 14:16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter,
that he may abide with you for ever;

Jhn 14:26But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will
send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your
remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Jhn 15:26But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the
Father, eventhe Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall
testify of me:

Jhn 16:7Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go
away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I
depart, I will send him unto you

Sad thing is, you can read this, but according to your beliefs none of this
is any longer true, for you as well as all others who believe such as you.
Satan wins, you all lose.

Is that plain enough for you?
Post by z***@windstream.net
We read that these powers were "missing in the 2nd-century church, the
writers of those days speaking of them as a thing in the past-in the
apostolic age, in fact."-The Illustrated Bible Dictionary, edited by
J. D. Douglas, 1980, Vol. 1, p. 79.
(from JW library)
So then, if the little girl was miraculously cured by occult forces,
shouldn't the parents still be happy for her? What do you think? Does
the end justify the means?
Did you not answer your question at the front of this reply of yours?
Post by z***@windstream.net
Sincerely James.
The Bible also tells us that not all "gifts" come from God. The
faithful apostle John warns us at 1 Jo 4:1,
"Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to
see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone
out into the world." (NIV)
Is there the word “gifts” in that verse? I missed it.
Post by z***@windstream.net
And it also says that Satan will perform many 'powerful works' as
well. 2 Th 2:9,10,
"But the lawless one's presence is according to the operation of Satan
with every powerful work and lying signs and portents 10 and with
every unrighteous deception..." (NWT)
If they be lying, then there would be no truth in them. IOW false happenings,
so the person could be verified by any doctor, without spiritual intervention
that those things never happened. Plus if you did see an arm grow out of a
stump one day, then the next day when you saw them there would be no arm,
just a stump.

Also, here is a point to ponder

2Th 2:1(1-4) Now, I am requesting you, brethren, with regard to the coming
and personal presence of our Lord Jesus Christ, even our being assembled
together to Him, not soon to become unsettled, the source of this unsettled
state being your minds, neither be thrown into confusion, either by a spirit,
or through a word as from us or through a letter falsely alleged to be
written by us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come and is now
present. Do not begin to allow anyone to lead you astray in any way, because
that day shall not come except the aforementioned departure comes first and
the man of the lawlessness is disclosed, the son of perdition, he who sets
himself in opposition to and exalts himself above everyone and everything
that is called a god or that is an object of worship, so that he seats
himself in the inner sanctuary of God, proclaiming himself to be deity.

2Th 2:5(5-7) Do you not remember that while I was still with you I kept on
telling you these things? And now you know with a positive assurance that
which is preventing his being disclosed in his strategic, appointed time, for
the mystery of the aforementioned lawlessness is now operating. Only He who
is holding down, until He goes out from the midst.

2Th 2:8(8-12) And then shall the Lawless One be disclosed, whom the Lord
Jesus shall slay with the breath of His mouth and render inoperative by the
sudden appearance of His personal presence, the coming and presence of whom
is according to the operation of Satan in the sphere of miracles
demonstrating power and attesting miracles and miracles of a startling,
imposing, amazement-wakening character which deceive, and whose coming and
presence is in the sphere of every kind of wicked deception geared to those
who are perishing, caused by the fact that they did not accept the love for
the truth to the end that they might be saved. And because of this God sends
them a deluding influence resulting in their believing the lie, in order that
they all might be judged who did not believe the truth but took delight in
wickedness

This truth happens when?
The believers, now hold him back, while the deceivers all state that these
words of God are actually of the Evil One.
Scripture says this happens When?
Plus who is it that believes these lying signs and wonders??????
Those that are deceived..
Are not these words the inspired words of God?

So who do YOU believe in. Mention the Name and Give your reason for that
belief.
Post by z***@windstream.net
Thus, just the mere presence of one of those "gifts" doesn't mean that
it came from God. They have to be 'tested' against the written
inspired scriptures to see if they are really from God or not. (see Ac
17:11)
Of course, yet you already dismissed all of them, therefore according to your
testing, they are all false, and if the works are actually of God, then you
would be guilty of the unpardonable sin. Is that the bo you seek to dwell
in??
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All messages with alt.atheism in the headers are now filterd out beginning
10/19.So posting to aa will in effect filter all your messages from being
read by me. Thus you are KF'ing yourself. VBG
In the Name of Jesus
2024-10-24 23:15:06 UTC
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Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Robert
A little girl whose eyes were healed. She could not see further than 3 or 4
feet, and 3 minutes later she could see a clock across the auditorium.
To the Glory of God! Now she is smiling, a happy smile.
I am happy for the little girl. Yet the Bible says to be cautious.
Really, Did you just lie? Compare this to what you asked below, for it
appears you have answered your question as to whether or not God or Satan
healed her and should anyone care?
Looks to me like you and AI Rosie are cut from the same cloth here.
Hahahahaha...it reminds me of a song.

An old Australian song with this chorus...

"Don't you ever let a chance go by, Oh Lord, don't you ever let a chance
go by!"

"Don't you ever let a chance go by, Oh Lord, don't you ever let a chance
go by!"

"Don't you ever let a chance go by, Oh Lord, don't you ever let...a...
chance...go...by!"

:-).




In the Name of Jesus
Post by Robert
Post by z***@windstream.net
- New King James
1 Corinthians 13:8 Love never fails. But whether there are
prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will
cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away.
But how do we know they likely ended in the first century?
Are you lacking knowledge and unwise? Would this not true for all books
written after the first century unto this day and beyond? Does this not
render your posts as well as AI Rosie’s null and void, and that neither of
you or any other person of any religious persuasion null and void? Would not
that thinking also mean that the Holy Spirit stopped helping people to
understand the Bible?
Did God stop and nullify all the prophecies that the prophets in the OT
spoke, and nullify all that Jesus Prophesied?
Also, this begs the question to you, as you do not believe Jesus was God,
then what about His works, His teachings, are they not also all nullified?
One thing for sure, as the word of the Lord has said, According to thy faith,
be it unto you. And from what you all speak who spout this doctrine of
devils, and understand not what they mean, you believe that Satan still has
the power to destroy flesh, inflict evil, and that God has abandoned us all
and turn us all over to Satan.
Jesus promised us, before He left and was resurrected that ....
Jhn 14:16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter,
that he may abide with you for ever;
Jhn 14:26But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will
send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your
remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Jhn 15:26But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the
Father, eventhe Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall
Jhn 16:7Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go
away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I
depart, I will send him unto you
Sad thing is, you can read this, but according to your beliefs none of this
is any longer true, for you as well as all others who believe such as you.
Satan wins, you all lose.
Is that plain enough for you?
Post by z***@windstream.net
We read that these powers were "missing in the 2nd-century church, the
writers of those days speaking of them as a thing in the past-in the
apostolic age, in fact."-The Illustrated Bible Dictionary, edited by
J. D. Douglas, 1980, Vol. 1, p. 79.
(from JW library)
So then, if the little girl was miraculously cured by occult forces,
shouldn't the parents still be happy for her? What do you think? Does
the end justify the means?
Did you not answer your question at the front of this reply of yours?
Post by z***@windstream.net
Sincerely James.
The Bible also tells us that not all "gifts" come from God. The
faithful apostle John warns us at 1 Jo 4:1,
"Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to
see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone
out into the world." (NIV)
Is there the word “gifts” in that verse? I missed it.
Post by z***@windstream.net
And it also says that Satan will perform many 'powerful works' as
well. 2 Th 2:9,10,
"But the lawless one's presence is according to the operation of Satan
with every powerful work and lying signs and portents 10 and with
every unrighteous deception..." (NWT)
If they be lying, then there would be no truth in them. IOW false happenings,
so the person could be verified by any doctor, without spiritual intervention
that those things never happened. Plus if you did see an arm grow out of a
stump one day, then the next day when you saw them there would be no arm,
just a stump.
Also, here is a point to ponder
2Th 2:1(1-4) Now, I am requesting you, brethren, with regard to the coming
and personal presence of our Lord Jesus Christ, even our being assembled
together to Him, not soon to become unsettled, the source of this unsettled
state being your minds, neither be thrown into confusion, either by a spirit,
or through a word as from us or through a letter falsely alleged to be
written by us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come and is now
present. Do not begin to allow anyone to lead you astray in any way, because
that day shall not come except the aforementioned departure comes first and
the man of the lawlessness is disclosed, the son of perdition, he who sets
himself in opposition to and exalts himself above everyone and everything
that is called a god or that is an object of worship, so that he seats
himself in the inner sanctuary of God, proclaiming himself to be deity.
2Th 2:5(5-7) Do you not remember that while I was still with you I kept on
telling you these things? And now you know with a positive assurance that
which is preventing his being disclosed in his strategic, appointed time, for
the mystery of the aforementioned lawlessness is now operating. Only He who
is holding down, until He goes out from the midst.
2Th 2:8(8-12) And then shall the Lawless One be disclosed, whom the Lord
Jesus shall slay with the breath of His mouth and render inoperative by the
sudden appearance of His personal presence, the coming and presence of whom
is according to the operation of Satan in the sphere of miracles
demonstrating power and attesting miracles and miracles of a startling,
imposing, amazement-wakening character which deceive, and whose coming and
presence is in the sphere of every kind of wicked deception geared to those
who are perishing, caused by the fact that they did not accept the love for
the truth to the end that they might be saved. And because of this God sends
them a deluding influence resulting in their believing the lie, in order that
they all might be judged who did not believe the truth but took delight in
wickedness
This truth happens when?
The believers, now hold him back, while the deceivers all state that these
words of God are actually of the Evil One.
Scripture says this happens When?
Plus who is it that believes these lying signs and wonders??????
Those that are deceived..
Are not these words the inspired words of God?
So who do YOU believe in. Mention the Name and Give your reason for that
belief.
Post by z***@windstream.net
Thus, just the mere presence of one of those "gifts" doesn't mean that
it came from God. They have to be 'tested' against the written
inspired scriptures to see if they are really from God or not. (see Ac
17:11)
Of course, yet you already dismissed all of them, therefore according to your
testing, they are all false, and if the works are actually of God, then you
would be guilty of the unpardonable sin. Is that the bo you seek to dwell
in??
--
God is God in all His Being. All the glory is His, for He is all glory.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything, He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free, and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

"The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence or proof is to be found."

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not so that a book could pass
through it for a sinner to play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: a man full of bluster and bullshit in his
meaninglessness pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

"What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence."

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God; God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

"Atheism: "The claim that life received from itself."

"But remember this: always, absolutely always, all the glory is the
Lord's and His alone, and anyone who takes any credit for anything, you
know, instantly, he is not what he pretends to be and is a false prophet."

"That light had to bear (bears all things) the darkness for us, but that
light did not ever become darkness."

"You must reach beyond the bible that tells you about Him, and into your
daily life to find Him in Person. He's there."

"What is wrong with Christendom? False understanding based on compromise."

"It is not in man to love his enemies. And if he tries, he is walking in
a lie and trying to raise himself up to the level of God."

"God has to be quiet now; we have our bible." Well, then, who is going
to speak?
z***@windstream.net
2024-10-26 21:25:41 UTC
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Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Robert
A little girl whose eyes were healed. She could not see further than 3 or 4
feet, and 3 minutes later she could see a clock across the auditorium.
To the Glory of God! Now she is smiling, a happy smile.
I am happy for the little girl. Yet the Bible says to be cautious.
Really, Did you just lie?
I don't lie. Everything I put in writing, I believe is true.


Compare this to what you asked below, for it
Post by Robert
appears you have answered your question as to whether or not God or Satan
healed her and should anyone care?
Do you care where the source of a healing comes from?
Post by Robert
Looks to me like you and AI Rosie are cut from the same cloth here.
He would never admit that.
Post by Robert
Post by z***@windstream.net
- New King James
1 Corinthians 13:8 Love never fails. But whether there are
prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will
cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away.
But how do we know they likely ended in the first century?
Are you lacking knowledge and unwise?
All people lack knowledge. No human knows it all. As for being wise,
if I share the Bible with others, yes, that is being wise.

Would this not true for all books
Post by Robert
written after the first century unto this day and beyond? Does this not
render your posts as well as AI Rosie’s null and void, and that neither of
you or any other person of any religious persuasion null and void? Would not
that thinking also mean that the Holy Spirit stopped helping people to
understand the Bible?
Why would God stop doing that? He is not resting despite us still
being in the 7th day of rest, according to the apostle Paul.

Things like speaking in tongues and prophesying likely ended in the
1st century.
Post by Robert
Did God stop and nullify all the prophecies that the prophets in the OT
spoke, and nullify all that Jesus Prophesied?
Did God kill Himself? That is another stupid question.
Post by Robert
Also, this begs the question to you, as you do not believe Jesus was God,
100% absolutely, positively, totally, entirely, fully, thoroughly,
definitely, certainly TRUE, as Bible truth can be.
Post by Robert
then what about His works, His teachings, are they not also all nullified?
Why would they be nullified? Does the sun apparently rise and set?
Does the moon cause tides? Yes, all of Jesus' sayings will always be
TRUE.
Post by Robert
One thing for sure, as the word of the Lord has said, According to thy faith,
be it unto you. And from what you all speak who spout this doctrine of
devils, and understand not what they mean, you believe that Satan still has
the power to destroy flesh, inflict evil, and that God has abandoned us all
and turn us all over to Satan.
God did let Satan rule the world:

-- New King James
John 12:31 "Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this
world will be cast out.

But right now he has gotten this world so corrupt, that sadly a lot of
people will not be saved:

-- New King James
Matthew 7:13 "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and
broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go
in by it.
Post by Robert
Jesus promised us, before He left and was resurrected that ....
Jhn 14:16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter,
that he may abide with you for ever;
Jhn 14:26But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will
send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your
remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Jhn 15:26But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the
Father, eventhe Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall
Jhn 16:7Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go
away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I
depart, I will send him unto you
Sad thing is, you can read this, but according to your beliefs none of this
is any longer true, for you as well as all others who believe such as you.
Satan wins, you all lose.
Then I should just go out and kill myself. And you would probably
agree with that! (;>)

But that is only if I am convinced we are totally wrong. After my
Bible researches, there is no way! But let's do a simple test with
Job.

I say that hellfire (OT- sheol) doesn't exist. Sheol exists, but not
hellfire. Sheol means the grave. So, if I am right, the following
Scripture will make logical sense. If you are right, it means Job was
stark raving mad! So let's see:

-- Revised Standard
Job 14:13 Oh that thou wouldest hide me in Sheol, that thou wouldest
conceal me until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a
set time, and remember me!

Big question here. Why would Job, in agony, want to go to hide in
hellfire? (sheol) That would be MUCH WORSE than what he was going
through. But if sheol is NOT hellfire, it would make more sense.
Notice what these translations call it:

-- King James
Job 14:13 O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou
wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest
appoint me a set time, and remember me!

-- New King James
Job 14:13 "Oh, that You would hide me in the grave, that You would
conceal me until Your wrath is past, that You would appoint me a set
time, and remember me!

YES, THOSE TRANSLATORS KNOW THAT SHEOL IS THE GRAVE.

So to simply summarize: Job wanted to DIE to get rid of his pain. And
he wanted God to resurrect him. ("remember me!")
Post by Robert
Is that plain enough for you?
Was the above plain enough for you?? If you still believe in sheol as
hellfire, HOW DO YOU EXPAIN JOB 14:13?

Awaiting your answer.

I need to stop it here for now. If you answer back, just add back what
you want.

Sincerely James.
Fun for the kids. Halloween!
Fun for the demons. Halloween!
Go to jw.org for a
Bible discussion on it.
10/25/2024
Post by Robert
Post by z***@windstream.net
We read that these powers were "missing in the 2nd-century church, the
writers of those days speaking of them as a thing in the past-in the
apostolic age, in fact."-The Illustrated Bible Dictionary, edited by
J. D. Douglas, 1980, Vol. 1, p. 79.
(from JW library)
So then, if the little girl was miraculously cured by occult forces,
shouldn't the parents still be happy for her? What do you think? Does
the end justify the means?
Did you not answer your question at the front of this reply of yours?
Post by z***@windstream.net
Sincerely James.
The Bible also tells us that not all "gifts" come from God. The
faithful apostle John warns us at 1 Jo 4:1,
"Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to
see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone
out into the world." (NIV)
Is there the word “gifts” in that verse? I missed it.
Post by z***@windstream.net
And it also says that Satan will perform many 'powerful works' as
well. 2 Th 2:9,10,
"But the lawless one's presence is according to the operation of Satan
with every powerful work and lying signs and portents 10 and with
every unrighteous deception..." (NWT)
If they be lying, then there would be no truth in them. IOW false happenings,
so the person could be verified by any doctor, without spiritual intervention
that those things never happened. Plus if you did see an arm grow out of a
stump one day, then the next day when you saw them there would be no arm,
just a stump.
Also, here is a point to ponder
2Th 2:1(1-4) Now, I am requesting you, brethren, with regard to the coming
and personal presence of our Lord Jesus Christ, even our being assembled
together to Him, not soon to become unsettled, the source of this unsettled
state being your minds, neither be thrown into confusion, either by a spirit,
or through a word as from us or through a letter falsely alleged to be
written by us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come and is now
present. Do not begin to allow anyone to lead you astray in any way, because
that day shall not come except the aforementioned departure comes first and
the man of the lawlessness is disclosed, the son of perdition, he who sets
himself in opposition to and exalts himself above everyone and everything
that is called a god or that is an object of worship, so that he seats
himself in the inner sanctuary of God, proclaiming himself to be deity.
2Th 2:5(5-7) Do you not remember that while I was still with you I kept on
telling you these things? And now you know with a positive assurance that
which is preventing his being disclosed in his strategic, appointed time, for
the mystery of the aforementioned lawlessness is now operating. Only He who
is holding down, until He goes out from the midst.
2Th 2:8(8-12) And then shall the Lawless One be disclosed, whom the Lord
Jesus shall slay with the breath of His mouth and render inoperative by the
sudden appearance of His personal presence, the coming and presence of whom
is according to the operation of Satan in the sphere of miracles
demonstrating power and attesting miracles and miracles of a startling,
imposing, amazement-wakening character which deceive, and whose coming and
presence is in the sphere of every kind of wicked deception geared to those
who are perishing, caused by the fact that they did not accept the love for
the truth to the end that they might be saved. And because of this God sends
them a deluding influence resulting in their believing the lie, in order that
they all might be judged who did not believe the truth but took delight in
wickedness
This truth happens when?
The believers, now hold him back, while the deceivers all state that these
words of God are actually of the Evil One.
Scripture says this happens When?
Plus who is it that believes these lying signs and wonders??????
Those that are deceived..
Are not these words the inspired words of God?
So who do YOU believe in. Mention the Name and Give your reason for that
belief.
Post by z***@windstream.net
Thus, just the mere presence of one of those "gifts" doesn't mean that
it came from God. They have to be 'tested' against the written
inspired scriptures to see if they are really from God or not. (see Ac
17:11)
Of course, yet you already dismissed all of them, therefore according to your
testing, they are all false, and if the works are actually of God, then you
would be guilty of the unpardonable sin. Is that the bo you seek to dwell
in??
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I don't lie. Everything I put in writing, I believe is true.
1) You're telling me it's not possible to believe a lie?

“And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they
should believe the lie,” (2 Thessalonians 2:11, NKJV)

2) You're telling me you actually scanned these articles below, and you
still believe and maintain you weren't the one talking with me in them?

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Sat, 21 Sep 2024 10:02:33 -0400,
<***@4ax.com
***@windstream.net wrote:
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Post by z***@windstream.net
This denial request is based on the
erroneous premise that I haven't already
furnished a dozen responses to all of
your objections already. This is why I
don't like trying to discuss it with
you. I post a response to your
objections about Christ's deity. You
don't respond for 3 weeks or more, then
you come back with amnesia, like no
response has already been, so you can
play your same question card games all
I do the best that I can, under my circumstances.
Yes, at times I delay in giving an answer. But I will eventually get
around to it.
I don't play games with anyone. I am not that cleaver. (:(
I just scanned them but didn't notice any conversations with me.
========================================

Now come back in two months and start talking about something else,
without addressing your apparent lie.
--
Have you heard the good news Christ died for our sins (†), and God
raised Him from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death
penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death
satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John
2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your
sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved.'" (Romans 10:13, ESV)

https://christrose.news/salvation
z***@windstream.net
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Post by Christ Rose
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Post by z***@windstream.net
I don't lie. Everything I put in writing, I believe is true.
1) You're telling me it's not possible to believe a lie?
Do you even know what a real "lie" is?

If I said I love potatoe soup that is no lie because I do.
If I said I love dog vomit, that would be a lie since I KNOW I don't
love it.

Thus a true lie has really not much to do if it is factual or not, it
is if the liar KNOWS what he says is not true. Then it's a bonified
lie.

Of course its is possible to believe a real lie. Church members do it
all the time. Such as:

--hellfire,
--Trinity,
--immortal soul,
--all saved humans go to Heaven,
--Purgatory,
--Limbo,
--once saved allways saved,
--Jesus was raised with a physical body,
--Jesus told the criminal hanging next to him, that he would
be with Jesus in Heaven that very day,
--the virgin Mary was the mother of God,
--the dead really don't die, but go to live in another realm
--and on and on.)

So can you see how far away from Bible truths church members are?
Post by Christ Rose
“And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they
should believe the lie,” (2 Thessalonians 2:11, NKJV)
2) You're telling me you actually scanned these articles below, and you
still believe and maintain you weren't the one talking with me in them?
A scanning is not a word for word examination. Most people have
different techniques for scanning and memory recall as well.

Were they relating a lot of Bible facts? Then I should have went
slower. If there was anything in them you want me to comment on, fire
away.


Sincerely James. (really)
Fun for the kids. Halloween!
Fun for the demons. Halloween!
Go to jw.org for a
Bible discussion on it.
10/25/2024

Nothing to me of much of any spiritual value below.
Post by Christ Rose
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Sat, 21 Sep 2024 10:02:33 -0400,
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Post by z***@windstream.net
This denial request is based on the
erroneous premise that I haven't already
furnished a dozen responses to all of
your objections already. This is why I
don't like trying to discuss it with
you. I post a response to your
objections about Christ's deity. You
don't respond for 3 weeks or more, then
you come back with amnesia, like no
response has already been, so you can
play your same question card games all
I do the best that I can, under my circumstances.
Yes, at times I delay in giving an answer. But I will eventually get
around to it.
I don't play games with anyone. I am not that cleaver. (:(
I just scanned them but didn't notice any conversations with me.
========================================
Now come back in two months and start talking about something else,
without addressing your apparent lie.
--
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On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 17:00:23 -0500, Christ Rose
Post by Christ Rose
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Sat, 26 Oct 2024 17:25:41 -0400
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Post by z***@windstream.net
I don't lie. Everything I put in writing, I believe is true.
1) You're telling me it's not possible to believe a lie?
Do you even know what a real "lie" is?
If I said I love potatoe soup that is no lie because I do.
If I said I love dog vomit, that would be a lie since I KNOW I don't
love it.
Thus a true lie has really not much to do if it is factual or not, it
is if the liar KNOWS what he says is not true. Then it's a bonified
lie.
***Then you have made yourself the foundation of truth,*** and that is a
lie.

You don't know yourself, Buddy! All sinners are liars, whether they know
it or not.

End of story.





In the Name of Jesus
Post by z***@windstream.net
Of course its is possible to believe a real lie. Church members do it
--hellfire,
--Trinity,
--immortal soul,
--all saved humans go to Heaven,
--Purgatory,
--Limbo,
--once saved allways saved,
--Jesus was raised with a physical body,
--Jesus told the criminal hanging next to him, that he would
be with Jesus in Heaven that very day,
--the virgin Mary was the mother of God,
--the dead really don't die, but go to live in another realm
--and on and on.)
So can you see how far away from Bible truths church members are?
Post by Christ Rose
“And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they
should believe the lie,” (2 Thessalonians 2:11, NKJV)
2) You're telling me you actually scanned these articles below, and you
still believe and maintain you weren't the one talking with me in them?
A scanning is not a word for word examination. Most people have
different techniques for scanning and memory recall as well.
Were they relating a lot of Bible facts? Then I should have went
slower. If there was anything in them you want me to comment on, fire
away.
Sincerely James. (really)
Fun for the kids. Halloween!
Fun for the demons. Halloween!
Go to jw.org for a
Bible discussion on it.
10/25/2024
Nothing to me of much of any spiritual value below.
Post by Christ Rose
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Sat, 21 Sep 2024 10:02:33 -0400,
========================================
Post by z***@windstream.net
This denial request is based on the
erroneous premise that I haven't already
furnished a dozen responses to all of
your objections already. This is why I
don't like trying to discuss it with
you. I post a response to your
objections about Christ's deity. You
don't respond for 3 weeks or more, then
you come back with amnesia, like no
response has already been, so you can
play your same question card games all
I do the best that I can, under my circumstances.
Yes, at times I delay in giving an answer. But I will eventually get
around to it.
I don't play games with anyone. I am not that cleaver. (:(
I just scanned them but didn't notice any conversations with me.
========================================
Now come back in two months and start talking about something else,
without addressing your apparent lie.
--
God is God in all His Being. All the glory is His, for He is all glory.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything, He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free, and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

"The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence or proof is to be found."

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not so that a book could pass
through it for a sinner to play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: a man full of bluster and bullshit in his
meaninglessness pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

"What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence."

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God; God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

"Atheism: "The claim that life received from itself."

"But remember this: always, absolutely always, all the glory is the
Lord's and His alone, and anyone who takes any credit for anything, you
know, instantly, he is not what he pretends to be and is a false prophet."

"That light had to bear (bears all things) the darkness for us, but that
light did not ever become darkness."

"You must reach beyond the bible that tells you about Him, and into your
daily life to find Him in Person. He's there."

"What is wrong with Christendom? False understanding based on compromise."

"It is not in man to love his enemies. And if he tries, he is walking in
a lie and trying to raise himself up to the level of God."

"God has to be quiet now; we have our bible." Well, then, who is going
to speak?
Christ Rose
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Post by Christ Rose
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Post by z***@windstream.net
I don't lie. Everything I put in writing, I believe is true.
1) You're telling me it's not possible to believe a lie?
Do you even know what a real "lie" is?
Sure. It's you claiming you scanned the message ID's I provided below,
and stating you weren't the one talking with me in them. Anyone can open
them for himself and see it was you. Yet you deny it. Why? How is that
not a lie? You come back regularly and present the same arguments and
objections over and over and over, and pretend like it's the first time
we've had the discussion. How are you not living a lie in that?
Post by z***@windstream.net
If I said I love potatoe soup that is no lie because I do.
If I said I love dog vomit, that would be a lie since I KNOW I don't
love it.
Thus a true lie has really not much to do if it is factual or not, it
is if the liar KNOWS what he says is not true. Then it's a bonified
lie.
Of course its is possible to believe a real lie. Church members do it
You can promote a lie even if you believe you're stating the truth. You
do it every time you parrot Watchtower doctrine.
Post by z***@windstream.net
--hellfire,
Already been through this.

• You trying to make a big deal out of the word hell, when the NWT
progressively twists its entire Bible to scrub and deny Christ's deity.
Also, YHWH is what it should be, not Jehovah. So your own NWT Bible is
the abomination here (https://www.christrose.news/nwt).

• Even the place people go before the "lake of fire" is described as a
place of flames, heat, and conscious torment:

"And he called out, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus
to dip the end of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am in
anguish in this flame.’" (Luke 16:24, ESV)

And no, there's nothing in the Bible that says this is a parable, like
it repeatedly does when it's actually referring to a parable (see Mark
4). Jesus never used actual Bible character's names in a parable.
Post by z***@windstream.net
--Trinity,
The Bible teaches there is only one God. The Bible teaches the Father,
Son, and Spirit are "God". The Bible teaches these three are distinct
persons. Call it what you want, but Trinity is not an inaccurate word to
describe God. And see the links below for all the many times and places
I've answered all your objections about that.
Post by z***@windstream.net
--immortal soul,
Yep.
Post by z***@windstream.net
--all saved humans go to Heaven,
Correct.
Post by z***@windstream.net
--Purgatory,
I don't believe in purgatory. --Never mentioned it.
Post by z***@windstream.net
--Limbo,
Idem.
Post by z***@windstream.net
--once saved allways saved,
Correct (Romans 8).
Post by z***@windstream.net
--Jesus was raised with a physical body,
Correct (Luke 24:39-43). It was also a spiritual body (Luke 24:36).
Post by z***@windstream.net
--Jesus told the criminal hanging next to him, that he would
be with Jesus in Heaven that very day,
"Paradise"

"Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in paradise." (Luke
23:43, ESV)

Why do you deny that.
Post by z***@windstream.net
--the virgin Mary was the mother of God,
--Mother of his human body, not mother of his deity.
Post by z***@windstream.net
--the dead really don't die, but go to live in another realm
--and on and on.)
Their body dies, and if they don't go to heaven, the quality of their
existence is "death", not "life".
Post by z***@windstream.net
So can you see how far away from Bible truths church members are?
In some instances, but for the most part, I see how far away you are
under Watchtower deception.
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Christ Rose
“And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they
should believe the lie,” (2 Thessalonians 2:11, NKJV)
2) You're telling me you actually scanned these articles below, and you
still believe and maintain you weren't the one talking with me in them?
A scanning is not a word for word examination. Most people have
different techniques for scanning and memory recall as well.
Your name is right at the top of them. Are you accusing me of forging it?
Post by z***@windstream.net
Were they relating a lot of Bible facts? Then I should have went
slower. If there was anything in them you want me to comment on, fire
away.
Are you finally admitting you were the one talking to me in them?
Post by z***@windstream.net
Nothing to me of much of any spiritual value below.
Those are the article links you claimed you had scanned, and found that
you were not even the one talking to me in them. They also contain all
the answers to your objections which you make against the deity of
Christ. Every couple months, you come back and pretend like the
discussion never happened, to repeat your same objections, challenging
people to answer them, as if they haven't. Then I'm supposed to pretend
like you never lie.
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Christ Rose
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Sat, 21 Sep 2024 10:02:33 -0400,
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Post by z***@windstream.net
This denial request is based on the
erroneous premise that I haven't already
furnished a dozen responses to all of
your objections already. This is why I
don't like trying to discuss it with
you. I post a response to your
objections about Christ's deity. You
don't respond for 3 weeks or more, then
you come back with amnesia, like no
response has already been, so you can
play your same question card games all
I do the best that I can, under my circumstances.
Yes, at times I delay in giving an answer. But I will eventually get
around to it.
I don't play games with anyone. I am not that cleaver. (:(
I just scanned them but didn't notice any conversations with me.
========================================
Now come back in two months and start talking about something else,
without addressing your apparent lie.
--
Have you heard the good news Christ died for our sins (†), and God
raised Him from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death
penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death
satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John
2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your
sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved.'" (Romans 10:13, ESV)

https://christrose.news/salvation
In the Name of Jesus
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Post by z***@windstream.net
On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 17:00:23 -0500, Christ Rose
Post by Christ Rose
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  I don't lie. Everything I put in writing, I believe is true.
1) You're telling me it's not possible to believe a lie?
Do you even know what a real "lie" is?
Sure.
No, you don't, because you still believe you are walking in the truth,
SinnerRose, like JW James.




In the Name of Jesus



It's you claiming you scanned the message ID's I provided below,
Post by Christ Rose
and stating you weren't the one talking with me in them. Anyone can open
them for himself and see it was you. Yet you deny it. Why? How is that
not a lie? You come back regularly and present the same arguments and
objections over and over and over, and pretend like it's the first time
we've had the discussion. How are you not living a lie in that?
Post by z***@windstream.net
If I said I love potatoe soup that is no lie because I do.
If I said I love dog vomit, that would be a lie since I KNOW I don't
love it.
Thus a true lie has really not much to do if it is factual or not, it
is if the liar KNOWS what he says is not true. Then it's a bonified
lie.
Of course its is possible to believe a real lie. Church members do it
You can promote a lie even if you believe you're stating the truth. You
do it every time you parrot Watchtower doctrine.
Post by z***@windstream.net
--hellfire,
Already been through this.
• You trying to make a big deal out of the word hell, when the NWT
progressively twists its entire Bible to scrub and deny Christ's deity.
Also, YHWH is what it should be, not Jehovah. So your own NWT Bible is
the abomination here (https://www.christrose.news/nwt).
• Even the place people go before the "lake of fire" is described as a
"And he called out, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus
to dip the end of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am in
anguish in this flame.’" (Luke 16:24, ESV)
And no, there's nothing in the Bible that says this is a parable, like
it repeatedly does when it's actually referring to a parable (see Mark
4). Jesus never used actual Bible character's names in a parable.
Post by z***@windstream.net
--Trinity,
The Bible teaches there is only one God. The Bible teaches the Father,
Son, and Spirit are "God". The Bible teaches these three are distinct
persons. Call it what you want, but Trinity is not an inaccurate word to
describe God. And see the links below for all the many times and places
I've answered all your objections about that.
Post by z***@windstream.net
--immortal soul,
Yep.
Post by z***@windstream.net
--all saved humans go to Heaven,
Correct.
Post by z***@windstream.net
--Purgatory,
I don't believe in purgatory. --Never mentioned it.
Post by z***@windstream.net
--Limbo,
Idem.
Post by z***@windstream.net
--once saved allways saved,
Correct (Romans 8).
Post by z***@windstream.net
--Jesus was raised with a physical body,
Correct (Luke 24:39-43). It was also a spiritual body (Luke 24:36).
Post by z***@windstream.net
--Jesus told the criminal hanging next to him, that he would
              be with Jesus in Heaven that very day,
"Paradise"
"Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in paradise." (Luke
23:43, ESV)
Why do you deny that.
Post by z***@windstream.net
--the virgin Mary was the mother of God,
--Mother of his human body, not mother of his deity.
Post by z***@windstream.net
--the dead really don't die, but go to live in another realm
--and on and on.)
Their body dies, and if they don't go to heaven, the quality of their
existence is "death", not "life".
Post by z***@windstream.net
So can you see how far away from Bible truths church members are?
In some instances, but for the most part, I see how far away you are
under Watchtower deception.
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Christ Rose
“And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they
should believe the lie,” (2 Thessalonians 2:11, NKJV)
2) You're telling me you actually scanned these articles below, and you
still believe and maintain you weren't the one talking with me in them?
A scanning is not a word for word examination. Most people have
different techniques for scanning and memory recall as well.
Your name is right at the top of them. Are you accusing me of forging it?
Post by z***@windstream.net
Were they relating a lot of Bible facts? Then I should have went
slower. If there was anything in them you want me to comment on, fire
away.
Are you finally admitting you were the one talking to me in them?
Post by z***@windstream.net
Nothing to me of much of any spiritual value below.
Those are the article links you claimed you had scanned, and found that
you were not even the one talking to me in them. They also contain all
the answers to your objections which you make against the deity of
Christ. Every couple months, you come back and pretend like the
discussion never happened, to repeat your same objections, challenging
people to answer them, as if they haven't. Then I'm supposed to pretend
like you never lie.
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Christ Rose
========================================
Sat, 21 Sep 2024 10:02:33 -0400,
========================================
This denial request is based on the
erroneous premise that I haven't already
furnished a dozen responses to all of
your objections already. This is why I
don't like trying to discuss it with
you. I post a response to your
objections about Christ's deity. You
don't respond for 3 weeks or more, then
you come back with amnesia, like no
response has already been, so you can
play your same question card games all
I do the best that I can, under my circumstances.
Yes, at times I delay in giving an answer. But I will eventually get
around to it.
I don't play games with anyone. I am not that cleaver. (:(
I just scanned them but didn't notice any conversations with me.
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Now come back in two months and start talking about something else,
without addressing your apparent lie.
--
God is God in all His Being. All the glory is His, for He is all glory.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything, He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free, and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

"The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence or proof is to be found."

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not so that a book could pass
through it for a sinner to play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: a man full of bluster and bullshit in his
meaninglessness pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

"What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence."

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God; God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

"Atheism: "The claim that life received from itself."

"But remember this: always, absolutely always, all the glory is the
Lord's and His alone, and anyone who takes any credit for anything, you
know, instantly, he is not what he pretends to be and is a false prophet."

"That light had to bear (bears all things) the darkness for us, but that
light did not ever become darkness."

"You must reach beyond the bible that tells you about Him, and into your
daily life to find Him in Person. He's there."

"What is wrong with Christendom? False understanding based on compromise."

"It is not in man to love his enemies. And if he tries, he is walking in
a lie and trying to raise himself up to the level of God."

"God has to be quiet now; we have our bible." Well, then, who is going
to speak?
Robert
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A little girl whose eyes were healed. She could not see further than 3 or 4
feet, and 3 minutes later she could see a clock across the auditorium.
To the Glory of God! Now she is smiling, a happy smile.
I am happy for the little girl. Yet the Bible says to be cautious.
Really, Did you just lie?
I don't lie. Everything I put in writing, I believe is true.
Yet you have lied on occasion, as I have pointed out to you from your
writing. And you breaking up the paragraph shows your attempts to shift the
goal posts.
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Robert
Compare this to what you asked below, for it
appears you have answered your question as to whether or not God or Satan
healed her and should anyone care?
Do you care where the source of a healing comes from?
Of course. Yet you don’t.
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Robert
Looks to me like you and AI Rosie are cut from the same cloth here.
He would never admit that.
He cannot be honest. Like you he believes the doctrines of men over what
scripture speaks. Like you, he declares he speaks the truth, yet when
scripture opposes his believe he tries gerrymandering.
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Post by Robert
Post by z***@windstream.net
- New King James
1 Corinthians 13:8 Love never fails. But whether there are
prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will
cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away.
But how do we know they likely ended in the first century?
Are you lacking knowledge and unwise?
All people lack knowledge. No human knows it all. As for being wise,
if I share the Bible with others, yes, that is being wise.
There is a gift of wisdom and knowledge that comes from the Heavenly Father,
via his Holy Spirit. Far different that that from men or AI.
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Robert
Would this not true for all books
written after the first century unto this day and beyond? Does this not
render your posts as well as AI Rosie’s null and void, and that neither of
you or any other person of any religious persuasion null and void? Would not
that thinking also mean that the Holy Spirit stopped helping people to
understand the Bible?
Why would God stop doing that? He is not resting despite us still
being in the 7th day of rest, according to the apostle Paul.
Things like speaking in tongues and prophesying likely ended in the
1st century.
This is where you and he are in full accordance, despite what the word of God
speaks to the contrary. Both of you refuse to believe the Word of God in that
regards, even if you differ in some ways, yet both believe the words of men
over Jesus, and his Heavenly Father.
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Robert
Did God stop and nullify all the prophecies that the prophets in the OT
spoke, and nullify all that Jesus Prophesied?
Did God kill Himself? That is another stupid question.
That question of yours stems from ignorance. I asked you a question for good
reason, why are you ashamed to answer it"
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Robert
Also, this begs the question to you, as you do not believe Jesus was God,
100% absolutely, positively, totally, entirely, fully, thoroughly,
definitely, certainly TRUE, as Bible truth can be.
Jesus is Yeshua, YHWH As I showed you before, and that from scripture. Either
that, or he is a liar. Yet you claim that you follow him. Whereas your cult
not that long ago denied following him and only following YHWH as the title
of your cult states. I see the conflict in that don’t you see?
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Robert
then what about His works, His teachings, are they not also all nullified?
Why would they be nullified? Does the sun apparently rise and set?
Does the moon cause tides? Yes, all of Jesus' sayings will always be
TRUE.
Even the Jews killed him using the excuse that he claimed to be God. Plus
that was also the reasoning of the JW for decades until after the ‘Jesus
movement’ and you. put on sheets clothing. Are you going to deny that?
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Robert
One thing for sure, as the word of the Lord has said, According to thy faith,
be it unto you. And from what you all speak who spout this doctrine of
devils, and understand not what they mean, you believe that Satan still has
the power to destroy flesh, inflict evil, and that God has abandoned us all
and turn us all over to Satan.
-- New King James
John 12:31 "Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this
world will be cast out.
Notice, ’this world’ not ’the world’.
Post by z***@windstream.net
But right now he has gotten this world so corrupt, that sadly a lot of
For this reason the Born Again ones of God are not of this world. This world
was as corrupted then as now. And Most people will not be saved since like
you they refuse the salvation that Jesus, ’the way. The truth, and the
life’ and they refuse God the Father because of their refusal to accept
Jesus as “The Way”.

“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh
unto the Father, but by me.” (Jhn 14:6)

And disbelief puts one on the short end of the stick.
Post by z***@windstream.net
-- New King James
Matthew 7:13 "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and
broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go
in by it.
And who is the narrow gate?
Jesus, “I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and
shall go in and out, and find pasture.” (Jhn 10:9)
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Robert
Jesus promised us, before He left and was resurrected that ....
Jhn 14:16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another
Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Jhn 14:26But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will
send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your
remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Jhn 15:26But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the
Father, eventhe Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall
Jhn 16:7Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go
away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I
depart, I will send him unto you
Sad thing is, you can read this, but according to your beliefs none of this
is any longer true, for you as well as all others who believe such as you.
Satan wins, you all lose.
Then I should just go out and kill myself. And you would probably
agree with that! (;>)
Hardly, because then you would not have a chance for repentance. For that
reason we live in a period of Grave and not the instant judgment of the old.
Post by z***@windstream.net
But that is only if I am convinced we are totally wrong. After my
Bible researches, there is no way! But let's do a simple test with
Job.
I say that hellfire (OT- sheol) doesn't exist. Sheol exists, but not
hellfire. Sheol means the grave. So, if I am right, the following
Scripture will make logical sense. If you are right, it means Job was
-- Revised Standard
Job 14:13 Oh that thou wouldest hide me in Sheol, that thou wouldest
conceal me until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a
set time, and remember me!
H7585 SHEOL: The place of the dead as an unknown place. [freq. 65] |kjv:
grave, hell, pit
Post by z***@windstream.net
Big question here. Why would Job, in agony, want to go to hide in
hellfire? (sheol) That would be MUCH WORSE than what he was going
through. But if sheol is NOT hellfire, it would make more sense.
Nope: take that verse in the context that it was written. Look at the verse
preceding it,...

“So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall
not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep.” (Job 14:12)

Tell me. How did he know that there is a day coming in which these heavens
surrounding us would be ’no more’? And there would be the resurrection of
all men? Some to Heaven, some to the Lake of Fire and Brimstone.

It is there that Paradise resided for those who believed in God and filled
him in His ways. Job was not a jew, there were none in his days.

Now as to hell fire?

“For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell,
and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the
foundations of the mountains.” (Deu 32:22)

Same word for hell is H7585 Sheol.
Post by z***@windstream.net
-- King James
Job 14:13 O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou
wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest
appoint me a set time, and remember me!
-- New King James
Job 14:13 "Oh, that You would hide me in the grave, that You would
conceal me until Your wrath is past, that You would appoint me a set
time, and remember me!
YES, THOSE TRANSLATORS KNOW THAT SHEOL IS THE GRAVE.
So to simply summarize: Job wanted to DIE to get rid of his pain. And
he wanted God to resurrect him. ("remember me!")
Yes, and he knew that he was not going to the pit when He died. But to the
paradise portion of Sheol. So tell me, how did he know that, being as Job was
the first book of the Bible?

And yes, to escape the pain of his suffering is why he said what he did, and
that shows us the intensity of the pain that Satan inflicted upon him, yet he
did not reject nor withdrew from trusting God.
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Post by Robert
Is that plain enough for you?
Was the above plain enough for you?? If you still believe in sheol as
hellfire, HOW DO YOU EXPAIN JOB 14:13?
I just did and I also showed you of Hell fire from Deut.
Post by z***@windstream.net
Awaiting your answer.
I need to stop it here for now. If you answer back, just add back what
you want.
Sincerely James.
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Post by z***@windstream.net
We read that these powers were "missing in the 2nd-century church, the
writers of those days speaking of them as a thing in the past-in the
apostolic age, in fact."-The Illustrated Bible Dictionary, edited by
J. D. Douglas, 1980, Vol. 1, p. 79.
(from JW library)
So then, if the little girl was miraculously cured by occult forces,
shouldn't the parents still be happy for her? What do you think? Does
the end justify the means?
Did you not answer your question at the front of this reply of yours?
Post by z***@windstream.net
Sincerely James.
The Bible also tells us that not all "gifts" come from God. The
faithful apostle John warns us at 1 Jo 4:1,
"Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to
see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone
out into the world." (NIV)
Is there the word “gifts” in that verse? I missed it.
Post by z***@windstream.net
And it also says that Satan will perform many 'powerful works' as
well. 2 Th 2:9,10,
"But the lawless one's presence is according to the operation of Satan
with every powerful work and lying signs and portents 10 and with
every unrighteous deception..." (NWT)
If they be lying, then there would be no truth in them. IOW false happenings,
so the person could be verified by any doctor, without spiritual intervention
that those things never happened. Plus if you did see an arm grow out of a
stump one day, then the next day when you saw them there would be no arm,
just a stump.
Also, here is a point to ponder
2Th 2:1(1-4) Now, I am requesting you, brethren, with regard to the coming
and personal presence of our Lord Jesus Christ, even our being assembled
together to Him, not soon to become unsettled, the source of this unsettled
state being your minds, neither be thrown into confusion, either by a spirit,
or through a word as from us or through a letter falsely alleged to be
written by us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come and is now
present. Do not begin to allow anyone to lead you astray in any way, because
that day shall not come except the aforementioned departure comes first and
the man of the lawlessness is disclosed, the son of perdition, he who sets
himself in opposition to and exalts himself above everyone and everything
that is called a god or that is an object of worship, so that he seats
himself in the inner sanctuary of God, proclaiming himself to be deity.
2Th 2:5(5-7) Do you not remember that while I was still with you I kept on
telling you these things? And now you know with a positive assurance that
which is preventing his being disclosed in his strategic, appointed time, for
the mystery of the aforementioned lawlessness is now operating. Only He who
is holding down, until He goes out from the midst.
2Th 2:8(8-12) And then shall the Lawless One be disclosed, whom the Lord
Jesus shall slay with the breath of His mouth and render inoperative by the
sudden appearance of His personal presence, the coming and presence of whom
is according to the operation of Satan in the sphere of miracles
demonstrating power and attesting miracles and miracles of a startling,
imposing, amazement-wakening character which deceive, and whose coming and
presence is in the sphere of every kind of wicked deception geared to those
who are perishing, caused by the fact that they did not accept the love for
the truth to the end that they might be saved. And because of this God sends
them a deluding influence resulting in their believing the lie, in order that
they all might be judged who did not believe the truth but took delight in
wickedness
This truth happens when?
The believers, now hold him back, while the deceivers all state that these
words of God are actually of the Evil One.
Scripture says this happens When?
Plus who is it that believes these lying signs and wonders??????
Those that are deceived..
Are not these words the inspired words of God?
So who do YOU believe in. Mention the Name and Give your reason for that
belief.
Post by z***@windstream.net
Thus, just the mere presence of one of those "gifts" doesn't mean that
it came from God. They have to be 'tested' against the written
inspired scriptures to see if they are really from God or not. (see Ac
17:11)
Of course, yet you already dismissed all of them, therefore according to your
testing, they are all false, and if the works are actually of God, then you
would be guilty of the unpardonable sin. Is that the bo you seek to dwell
in??
--
All messages with alt.atheism in the headers are now filterd out beginning
10/19.So posting to aa will in effect filter all your messages from being
read by me. Thus you are KF'ing yourself. VBG
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Looks to me like you and AI Rosie are cut from the same cloth here.
He would never admit that.
He's correct. He denies Jesus is God, and tries to persuade others to do
the same. He denies the conscious eternal torment of the lost, trying to
lure them into the false security that they can reject Christ, get a
second chance to trust Him after death, then still reject Christ and
avoid conscious eternal torment.

But on this point, James happens to be correct, which is that signs and
wonders ceased by the end of Paul's ministry:
https://christrose.news/ceased.
Post by Robert
He cannot be honest.
That would be you, dishonest hypocrite. You've been trying to poison
people's minds against accurate gospel presentations and the people who
bring them in here non-stop, over the dumbest of your own false and
hypocritical fabrications. For example, you tried to poison people's
minds against one gospel presentation, just because it used the word
"imitate". Then you hypocritically posted (as if to show a better
commentary), someone who used the same word!

Here's Robert trying to one-up my message on Ephesians 5, with what he
proposes is a better commentary.
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Wed, 18 Sep 2024 13:06:33 -0700,
Subject: Re: Ephesians 5: Doctrinal Analysis
<vcfbs9$6fac$***@dont-email.me>
Robert <***@no.way> wrote:
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Post by Robert
Here is a commentary showing the heart of this chapter and its
applications
Post by Robert
to the lives of those who are Born Again.
Ephesians 5
The apostle exhorts the Ephesians to imitate the love of God in Christ...
========================================

Note, Robert has no problem with the use of the word "imitate" when he
posts it.

Now here's Robert trying to poison people's minds against me and the
gospel in the very same thread, over the use of the same word "imitate"!:

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Wed, 18 Sep 2024 13:40:53 -0700,
<vcfdsl$6ss2$***@dont-email.me>
Robert <***@no.way> wrote:
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Post by Robert
Post by z***@windstream.net
Ephesians 5 calls believers to imitate
God by walking in love, holiness, and
wisdom.
I saw no use of the word “imitate” in the book of Ephesians, except in
some translations.
However many theologians and their wannabe’s use that term. In old
English
Post by Robert
dictionaries there is this definition of that word,...
IMI'TATE, v.t. [L. imitor; allied perhaps to Gr. similar, equal.]
1. To follow in manners; to copy in form, color or quality. We imitate
another in dress or manners; we imitate a statue, a painting, a sound, an
action, when we make or do that which resembles it. We should seek the
best
Post by Robert
models to imitate, and in morals and piety, it is our duty to imitate the
example of our Savior. But as we cannot always make an exact
similitude of
Post by Robert
the original,hence,
2. To attempt or endeavor to copy or resemble; as, to imitate the
colors of
Post by Robert
the rainbow, or any of the beauties of nature. Cicero appears to have
imitated the Greek orators.
3. To counterfeit.
This hand appear'd a shining sword to wield,
And that sustain'd an imitated shield.
4. To pursue the course of a composition, so as to use like images and
examples.
*********************************
Ghandi liked the idea of imitating the life of Jesus and His ways.
While that
Post by Robert
was seemingly a good thing to do, and a wise way of living, it is not
natural
Post by Robert
to the carnal soul. Meaning Human Nature without God residing in their
life.
Post by Robert
Many “Christians” try to imitate Christ Jesus, but it is just not natural
to them which is why they struggle and apt to making many incorrect
things.
Post by Robert
They lack the power to be over-comers.
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See what a big stink he tried to make of the word "imitate"? See how he
tried to poison people's minds against the use of the word, as if by
mere association with the worst examples he can find, every use of the
word becomes corrupt? Look at the hypocrisy! When Robert posts it,
"imitate" is a prime example of sound Bible teaching. When I post it,
it's viewed as an unregenerate effort to imitate God! And he posted
these on the SAME DAY! How is he not a dishonest tool, operating in the
bitter envy of demonic wisdom (James 3:14-15). See
https://christrose.news/demonic-wisdom

Here's another example of Robert's dishonesty:
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Fri, 19 Jul 2024 14:07:04 -0700,
<***@news.eternal-september.org>
Robert <***@no.way> wrote:
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Post by Robert
Post by z***@windstream.net
“If we say that [indwelling] sin we are
not having, ourselves we are leading
astray [nobody else], and the truth is
not in us. If we continue to confess our
sins, faithful is He and just to forgive
us our sins and to cleanse us from every
unrighteousness. If we say that we have
not sinned and are now in a state where
we do not sin, a liar we are making Him,
and His word is not in us.” (1 John
1:8–10, WUESTNT)
What you poster here is a lie and a distortion of what Wuest translated,
anyone who has access to his translation can see it, more than likely that
was created by a person who understands not the things of God and listens to
a different drummer.
I'm going to save this as an example of Robert flat-out lying. The above
citation is a direct copy and paste of WUESTNT:

If we say that [indwelling] sin we are not having, ourselves we are
leading astray [nobody else], and the truth is not in us. If we continue
to confess our sins, faithful is He and just to forgive us our sins and
to cleanse us from every unrighteousness. If we say that we have not
sinned and are now in a state where we do not sin, a liar we are making
Him, and His word is not in us.

Here is the source by which anyone can confirm Robert is a liar:

Wuest, K.S. (1961) The New Testament: an expanded translation. Grand
Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, p. 1 Jn 1:8–10.
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Almost every engagement Robert has with myself and others in here, is a
similar effort to dishonestly poison people's minds against everyone and
their content, but himself.
Post by Robert
Like you he believes the doctrines of men over what
scripture speaks.
Liar. You've demonstrated no such thing. You make so many dishonest
claims like this, and don't even bother to provide any evidence or
reasoning from Scripture.
Post by Robert
Like you, he declares he speaks the truth, yet when
scripture opposes his believe he tries gerrymandering.
Another dishonest claim. Here are 15 Bible evidences that signs and
wonders ceased by the end of Paul's ministry:
https://christrose.news/ceased.
--
Have you heard the good news Christ died for our sins (†), and God
raised Him from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death
penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death
satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John
2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your
sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved.'" (Romans 10:13, ESV)

https://christrose.news/salvation
In the Name of Jesus
2024-10-27 00:35:42 UTC
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A little girl whose eyes were healed. She could not see further than 3 or 4
feet, and 3 minutes later she could see a clock across the auditorium.
To the Glory of God! Now she is smiling, a happy smile.
I am happy for the little girl. Yet the Bible says to be cautious.
Really, Did you just lie?
I don't lie.
You can say it a million times, it won't change anything.

All sinners lie, Jimmy.
Post by z***@windstream.net
Everything I put in writing, I believe is true.
You "hope" is true is about the best you can get.





In the Name of Jesus
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Compare this to what you asked below, for it
Post by Robert
appears you have answered your question as to whether or not God or Satan
healed her and should anyone care?
Do you care where the source of a healing comes from?
Post by Robert
Looks to me like you and AI Rosie are cut from the same cloth here.
He would never admit that.
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Post by z***@windstream.net
- New King James
1 Corinthians 13:8 Love never fails. But whether there are
prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will
cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away.
But how do we know they likely ended in the first century?
Are you lacking knowledge and unwise?
All people lack knowledge. No human knows it all. As for being wise,
if I share the Bible with others, yes, that is being wise.
Would this not true for all books
Post by Robert
written after the first century unto this day and beyond? Does this not
render your posts as well as AI Rosie’s null and void, and that neither of
you or any other person of any religious persuasion null and void? Would not
that thinking also mean that the Holy Spirit stopped helping people to
understand the Bible?
Why would God stop doing that? He is not resting despite us still
being in the 7th day of rest, according to the apostle Paul.
Things like speaking in tongues and prophesying likely ended in the
1st century.
Post by Robert
Did God stop and nullify all the prophecies that the prophets in the OT
spoke, and nullify all that Jesus Prophesied?
Did God kill Himself? That is another stupid question.
Post by Robert
Also, this begs the question to you, as you do not believe Jesus was God,
100% absolutely, positively, totally, entirely, fully, thoroughly,
definitely, certainly TRUE, as Bible truth can be.
Post by Robert
then what about His works, His teachings, are they not also all nullified?
Why would they be nullified? Does the sun apparently rise and set?
Does the moon cause tides? Yes, all of Jesus' sayings will always be
TRUE.
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One thing for sure, as the word of the Lord has said, According to thy faith,
be it unto you. And from what you all speak who spout this doctrine of
devils, and understand not what they mean, you believe that Satan still has
the power to destroy flesh, inflict evil, and that God has abandoned us all
and turn us all over to Satan.
-- New King James
John 12:31 "Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this
world will be cast out.
But right now he has gotten this world so corrupt, that sadly a lot of
-- New King James
Matthew 7:13 "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and
broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go
in by it.
Post by Robert
Jesus promised us, before He left and was resurrected that ....
Jhn 14:16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter,
that he may abide with you for ever;
Jhn 14:26But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will
send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your
remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Jhn 15:26But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the
Father, eventhe Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall
Jhn 16:7Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go
away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I
depart, I will send him unto you
Sad thing is, you can read this, but according to your beliefs none of this
is any longer true, for you as well as all others who believe such as you.
Satan wins, you all lose.
Then I should just go out and kill myself. And you would probably
agree with that! (;>)
But that is only if I am convinced we are totally wrong. After my
Bible researches, there is no way! But let's do a simple test with
Job.
I say that hellfire (OT- sheol) doesn't exist. Sheol exists, but not
hellfire. Sheol means the grave. So, if I am right, the following
Scripture will make logical sense. If you are right, it means Job was
-- Revised Standard
Job 14:13 Oh that thou wouldest hide me in Sheol, that thou wouldest
conceal me until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a
set time, and remember me!
Big question here. Why would Job, in agony, want to go to hide in
hellfire? (sheol) That would be MUCH WORSE than what he was going
through. But if sheol is NOT hellfire, it would make more sense.
-- King James
Job 14:13 O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou
wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest
appoint me a set time, and remember me!
-- New King James
Job 14:13 "Oh, that You would hide me in the grave, that You would
conceal me until Your wrath is past, that You would appoint me a set
time, and remember me!
YES, THOSE TRANSLATORS KNOW THAT SHEOL IS THE GRAVE.
So to simply summarize: Job wanted to DIE to get rid of his pain. And
he wanted God to resurrect him. ("remember me!")
Post by Robert
Is that plain enough for you?
Was the above plain enough for you?? If you still believe in sheol as
hellfire, HOW DO YOU EXPAIN JOB 14:13?
Awaiting your answer.
I need to stop it here for now. If you answer back, just add back what
you want.
Sincerely James.
Fun for the kids. Halloween!
Fun for the demons. Halloween!
Go to jw.org for a
Bible discussion on it.
10/25/2024
Post by Robert
Post by z***@windstream.net
We read that these powers were "missing in the 2nd-century church, the
writers of those days speaking of them as a thing in the past-in the
apostolic age, in fact."-The Illustrated Bible Dictionary, edited by
J. D. Douglas, 1980, Vol. 1, p. 79.
(from JW library)
So then, if the little girl was miraculously cured by occult forces,
shouldn't the parents still be happy for her? What do you think? Does
the end justify the means?
Did you not answer your question at the front of this reply of yours?
Post by z***@windstream.net
Sincerely James.
The Bible also tells us that not all "gifts" come from God. The
faithful apostle John warns us at 1 Jo 4:1,
"Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to
see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone
out into the world." (NIV)
Is there the word “gifts” in that verse? I missed it.
Post by z***@windstream.net
And it also says that Satan will perform many 'powerful works' as
well. 2 Th 2:9,10,
"But the lawless one's presence is according to the operation of Satan
with every powerful work and lying signs and portents 10 and with
every unrighteous deception..." (NWT)
If they be lying, then there would be no truth in them. IOW false happenings,
so the person could be verified by any doctor, without spiritual intervention
that those things never happened. Plus if you did see an arm grow out of a
stump one day, then the next day when you saw them there would be no arm,
just a stump.
Also, here is a point to ponder
2Th 2:1(1-4) Now, I am requesting you, brethren, with regard to the coming
and personal presence of our Lord Jesus Christ, even our being assembled
together to Him, not soon to become unsettled, the source of this unsettled
state being your minds, neither be thrown into confusion, either by a spirit,
or through a word as from us or through a letter falsely alleged to be
written by us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come and is now
present. Do not begin to allow anyone to lead you astray in any way, because
that day shall not come except the aforementioned departure comes first and
the man of the lawlessness is disclosed, the son of perdition, he who sets
himself in opposition to and exalts himself above everyone and everything
that is called a god or that is an object of worship, so that he seats
himself in the inner sanctuary of God, proclaiming himself to be deity.
2Th 2:5(5-7) Do you not remember that while I was still with you I kept on
telling you these things? And now you know with a positive assurance that
which is preventing his being disclosed in his strategic, appointed time, for
the mystery of the aforementioned lawlessness is now operating. Only He who
is holding down, until He goes out from the midst.
2Th 2:8(8-12) And then shall the Lawless One be disclosed, whom the Lord
Jesus shall slay with the breath of His mouth and render inoperative by the
sudden appearance of His personal presence, the coming and presence of whom
is according to the operation of Satan in the sphere of miracles
demonstrating power and attesting miracles and miracles of a startling,
imposing, amazement-wakening character which deceive, and whose coming and
presence is in the sphere of every kind of wicked deception geared to those
who are perishing, caused by the fact that they did not accept the love for
the truth to the end that they might be saved. And because of this God sends
them a deluding influence resulting in their believing the lie, in order that
they all might be judged who did not believe the truth but took delight in
wickedness
This truth happens when?
The believers, now hold him back, while the deceivers all state that these
words of God are actually of the Evil One.
Scripture says this happens When?
Plus who is it that believes these lying signs and wonders??????
Those that are deceived..
Are not these words the inspired words of God?
So who do YOU believe in. Mention the Name and Give your reason for that
belief.
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Thus, just the mere presence of one of those "gifts" doesn't mean that
it came from God. They have to be 'tested' against the written
inspired scriptures to see if they are really from God or not. (see Ac
17:11)
Of course, yet you already dismissed all of them, therefore according to your
testing, they are all false, and if the works are actually of God, then you
would be guilty of the unpardonable sin. Is that the bo you seek to dwell
in??
--
God is God in all His Being. All the glory is His, for He is all glory.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything, He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free, and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

"The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence or proof is to be found."

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not so that a book could pass
through it for a sinner to play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: a man full of bluster and bullshit in his
meaninglessness pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

"What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence."

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God; God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

"Atheism: "The claim that life received from itself."

"But remember this: always, absolutely always, all the glory is the
Lord's and His alone, and anyone who takes any credit for anything, you
know, instantly, he is not what he pretends to be and is a false prophet."

"That light had to bear (bears all things) the darkness for us, but that
light did not ever become darkness."

"You must reach beyond the bible that tells you about Him, and into your
daily life to find Him in Person. He's there."

"What is wrong with Christendom? False understanding based on compromise."

"It is not in man to love his enemies. And if he tries, he is walking in
a lie and trying to raise himself up to the level of God."

"God has to be quiet now; we have our bible." Well, then, who is going
to speak?
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