If one has not been Born Again, then they are not a Christian.

[Robert]

If they are Born Again and the Spirit of God resides in them, then this is
how they are to live.

Col 3:1-17 (KJV)

1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where
Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.

3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with
him in glory.

5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication,
uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness,
which is idolatry:

6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of
disobedience:

7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.

8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy
communication out of your mouth.

9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his
deeds;

10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image
of him that created him:

11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision,
Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of
mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;

13 Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a
quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so alsodo ye.

14 And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of
perfectness.

15 And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are
called in one body; and be ye thankful.

16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and
admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with
grace in your hearts to the Lord.

17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord
Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

This IS the way of life for those that have made Jesus the Messiah LORD of
their life. It IS the desire of their heart. The desire of their renewed
mind. Not briefly. Not on Sunday mornings, but every moment of their life.

If Not, then who is the god that you serve? Who is the god whom you swear
allegiance to?

Can you see the differences here between the old man and the new man in
Christ Jesus? If so, then stop playing games lest you be spit out of the
mouth of the Lord like foul tasting food. Repent, Pray that you might be
counted worthy to escape.

[unknown]

Amen and amen again. The 2000 year christian witnesss declares bing "born
again" and becoming christian in baptism.

Paul in Romans:

6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were
baptized into his death?

6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by
baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by
the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Acts

8:36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the
eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest.
And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

8:38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down
both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

[Robert]

Amen and amen again. The 2000 year christian witnesss declares bing "born
again" and becoming christian in baptism.

Sadly what this person is totally unaware of is that not one person is made a
Christian by water baptism.
No where is scripture is that taught.

“But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy
heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; That if thou shalt
confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that
God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart
man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto
salvation.” (Rom 10:8-10, KJV)

This too is the vital part of salvation, this is the baptism Paul speaks of,
and that is of the Holy Spirit.

“But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit
of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none
of his. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the
Spirit is life because of righteousness.” (Rom 8:9-10, KJV)

Therein is the death one is baptized into.

6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were
baptized into his death?
6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by
baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by
the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Rom 6:5 (KJV) For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his
death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

Rom 6:6 (KJV) Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the
body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Rebirth is spiritual, not physical at this time.

Eph 5:25b (KJV) even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for
it;

Eph 5:26 (KJV) That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of
water by the word,

Eph 5:27 (KJV) That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not
having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and
without blemish.

Notice; word, not water.

Acts
8:36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the
eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest.
And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Even here is proof of that fact, that water baptism saves no one. Yet the
poster never reads this with understanding.
Anyone reading this scripture can see that Philip said that there was a
prerequisite to being water baptized.
Water Baptism was and is a symbolic public statement of ones commitment to
Christ.

8:38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down
both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

Furthermore, no one can deny this statement made by Peter, which spoke or
those that were saved, and filled with the spirit of God, then receive a
baptism of water as did Philip.

Act 10:44 (KJV) While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all
them which heard the word.

Act 10:45 (KJV) And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished,
as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out
the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Act 10:46 (KJV) For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then
answered Peter,

Act 10:47 (KJV) Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized,
which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

Act 10:48 (KJV) And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord.
Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Baptism is not synonymous with water.

[Michael Christ]

Post by Robert

Amen and amen again. The 2000 year christian witnesss declares bing "born
again" and becoming christian in baptism.

Sadly what this person is totally unaware of is that not one person is made a
Christian by water baptism.

Ultimately, anyway, if a man is not baptized into Christ, spiritually,
that person is not His. Is the "old man" baptized into Christ? Yet many
sinner Christians walk in the "old man" and claim otherwise.

And water baptism, is it of literal water, or is it through the washing
of the Word?

And what if you have been washed clean? What then?

Luke 5:38  But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are
preserved.

John 2:9  When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made
wine, and knew not whence it was [of course, because it is of God]: (but
the servants which drew the water knew;) the governor of the feast
called the bridegroom,

John 2:10  And saith unto him, Every man [with man] at the beginning
doth set forth good wine [deceit]; and when men have well drunk [being
deceived], then that which is worse [the end of the matter with man]:
but thou hast kept the good wine until now.

The earlier wine was the written word (still separation from God), but
the latter rain is the new wine, which is the Lord from heaven and is
now (the indwelling of His Holy Spirit), the new man.




Michael Christ

Post by Robert
No where is scripture is that taught.
“But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy
heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; That if thou shalt
confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that
God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart
man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto
salvation.” (Rom 10:8-10, KJV)
This too is the vital part of salvation, this is the baptism Paul speaks of,
and that is of the Holy Spirit.
“But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit
of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none
of his. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the
Spirit is life because of righteousness.” (Rom 8:9-10, KJV)
Therein is the death one is baptized into.

6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were
baptized into his death?
6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by
baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by
the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Rom 6:5 (KJV) For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his
Rom 6:6 (KJV) Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the
body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rebirth is spiritual, not physical at this time.
Eph 5:25b (KJV) even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for
it;
Eph 5:26 (KJV) That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of
water by the word,
Eph 5:27 (KJV) That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not
having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and
without blemish.
Notice; word, not water.

Acts
8:36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the
eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest.
And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Even here is proof of that fact, that water baptism saves no one. Yet the
poster never reads this with understanding.
Anyone reading this scripture can see that Philip said that there was a
prerequisite to being water baptized.
Water Baptism was and is a symbolic public statement of ones commitment to
Christ.

8:38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down
both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

Furthermore, no one can deny this statement made by Peter, which spoke or
those that were saved, and filled with the spirit of God, then receive a
baptism of water as did Philip.
Act 10:44 (KJV) While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all
them which heard the word.
Act 10:45 (KJV) And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished,
as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out
the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 10:46 (KJV) For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then
answered Peter,
Act 10:47 (KJV) Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized,
which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
Act 10:48 (KJV) And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord.
Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
Baptism is not synonymous with water.

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

[Robert]

Post by Michael Christ

Post by Robert

Amen and amen again. The 2000 year christian witnesss declares bing "born
again" and becoming christian in baptism.

Sadly what this person is totally unaware of is that not one person is made a
Christian by water baptism.

Ultimately, anyway, if a man is not baptized into Christ, spiritually,
that person is not His. Is the "old man" baptized into Christ? Yet many
sinner Christians walk in the "old man" and claim otherwise.
And water baptism, is it of literal water, or is it through the washing
of the Word?
And what if you have been washed clean? What then?

Water baptism is literal water, similar to what JtB did, only is was for a
jewish repentance and believers do it as a public sign to others of their
commitment to Christ Jesus.

We are baptized, the BAB, into His Body.

“For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or
Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into
one Spirit.” (1Co 12:13, KJV)

“Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of
resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.” (Heb 6:2, KJV)

Post by Michael Christ
Luke 5:38 But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are
preserved.
John 2:9 When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made
wine, and knew not whence it was [of course, because it is of God]: (but
the servants which drew the water knew;) the governor of the feast
called the bridegroom,
John 2:10 And saith unto him, Every man [with man] at the beginning
doth set forth good wine [deceit]; and when men have well drunk [being
but thou hast kept the good wine until now.
The earlier wine was the written word (still separation from God), but
the latter rain is the new wine, which is the Lord from heaven and is
now (the indwelling of His Holy Spirit), the new man.

There are two rains, the former and the latter, both have to do with the
outpouring of the Holy Spirit. The latter rain is ramping up now.

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ

Post by Robert
No where is scripture is that taught.
“But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy
heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; That if thou shalt
confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that
God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart
man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto
salvation.” (Rom 10:8-10, KJV)
This too is the vital part of salvation, this is the baptism Paul speaks of,
and that is of the Holy Spirit.
“But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit
of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none
of his. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the
Spirit is life because of righteousness.” (Rom 8:9-10, KJV)
Therein is the death one is baptized into.

6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were
baptized into his death?
6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by
baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by
the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Rom 6:5 (KJV) For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his
Rom 6:6 (KJV) Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the
body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rebirth is spiritual, not physical at this time.
Eph 5:25b (KJV) even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for
it;
Eph 5:26 (KJV) That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of
water by the word,
Eph 5:27 (KJV) That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not
having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and
without blemish.
Notice; word, not water.

Acts
8:36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the
eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest.
And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Even here is proof of that fact, that water baptism saves no one. Yet the
poster never reads this with understanding.
Anyone reading this scripture can see that Philip said that there was a
prerequisite to being water baptized.
Water Baptism was and is a symbolic public statement of ones commitment to
Christ.

8:38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down
both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

Furthermore, no one can deny this statement made by Peter, which spoke or
those that were saved, and filled with the spirit of God, then receive a
baptism of water as did Philip.
Act 10:44 (KJV) While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all
them which heard the word.
Act 10:45 (KJV) And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished,
as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out
the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 10:46 (KJV) For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then
answered Peter,
Act 10:47 (KJV) Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized,
which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
Act 10:48 (KJV) And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord.
Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
Baptism is not synonymous with water.

[Michael Christ]

Post by Robert

Post by Michael Christ

Post by Robert

Amen and amen again. The 2000 year christian witnesss declares bing "born
again" and becoming christian in baptism.

Sadly what this person is totally unaware of is that not one person is made a
Christian by water baptism.

Ultimately, anyway, if a man is not baptized into Christ, spiritually,
that person is not His. Is the "old man" baptized into Christ? Yet many
sinner Christians walk in the "old man" and claim otherwise.
And water baptism, is it of literal water, or is it through the washing
of the Word?
And what if you have been washed clean? What then?

Water baptism is literal water,

Yes, Robert, we know that.

Post by Robert
similar to what JtB did, only is was for a
jewish repentance and believers do it as a public sign to others of their
commitment to Christ Jesus.
We are baptized, the BAB, into His Body.

What the hell is BAB?

Post by Robert
“For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or
Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into
one Spirit.” (1Co 12:13, KJV)
“Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of
resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.” (Heb 6:2, KJV)

Your tangent and context, not mine. Besides, I already said "spiritual"
baptism.

"And what if you have been washed clean? What then?"

Post by Robert

Post by Michael Christ
Luke 5:38 But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are
preserved.
John 2:9 When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made
wine, and knew not whence it was [of course, because it is of God]: (but
the servants which drew the water knew;) the governor of the feast
called the bridegroom,
John 2:10 And saith unto him, Every man [with man] at the beginning
doth set forth good wine [deceit]; and when men have well drunk [being
but thou hast kept the good wine until now.
The earlier wine was the written word (still separation from God), but
the latter rain is the new wine, which is the Lord from heaven and is
now (the indwelling of His Holy Spirit), the new man.

There are two rains, the former and the latter, both have to do with the
outpouring of the Holy Spirit.
The latter rain is ramping up now.

The latter rain came when the Lord ascended and He sent His Holy Spirit
and continues to this day. Simply put, the former is the Old Testament,
the latter is the New Testament.

You were told.

Now back to the context I wrote about...

"And what if you have been washed clean? What then?"

"But new wine must be put into new bottles."

You can't have it both ways, and neither can Christendom.





Michael Christ

Post by Robert

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ

Post by Robert
No where is scripture is that taught.
“But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy
heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; That if thou shalt
confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that
God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart
man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto
salvation.” (Rom 10:8-10, KJV)
This too is the vital part of salvation, this is the baptism Paul speaks of,
and that is of the Holy Spirit.
“But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit
of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none
of his. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the
Spirit is life because of righteousness.” (Rom 8:9-10, KJV)
Therein is the death one is baptized into.

6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were
baptized into his death?
6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by
baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by
the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Rom 6:5 (KJV) For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his
Rom 6:6 (KJV) Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the
body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rebirth is spiritual, not physical at this time.
Eph 5:25b (KJV) even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for
it;
Eph 5:26 (KJV) That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of
water by the word,
Eph 5:27 (KJV) That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not
having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and
without blemish.
Notice; word, not water.

Acts
8:36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the
eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest.
And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Even here is proof of that fact, that water baptism saves no one. Yet the
poster never reads this with understanding.
Anyone reading this scripture can see that Philip said that there was a
prerequisite to being water baptized.
Water Baptism was and is a symbolic public statement of ones commitment to
Christ.

8:38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down
both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

Furthermore, no one can deny this statement made by Peter, which spoke or
those that were saved, and filled with the spirit of God, then receive a
baptism of water as did Philip.
Act 10:44 (KJV) While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all
them which heard the word.
Act 10:45 (KJV) And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished,
as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out
the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 10:46 (KJV) For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then
answered Peter,
Act 10:47 (KJV) Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized,
which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
Act 10:48 (KJV) And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord.
Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
Baptism is not synonymous with water.

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

[Robert]

Post by Michael Christ

Post by Robert

Post by Michael Christ

Post by Robert

Amen and amen again. The 2000 year christian witnesss declares bing "born
again" and becoming christian in baptism.

Sadly what this person is totally unaware of is that not one person is
made
a
Christian by water baptism.

Ultimately, anyway, if a man is not baptized into Christ, spiritually,
that person is not His. Is the "old man" baptized into Christ? Yet many
sinner Christians walk in the "old man" and claim otherwise.
And water baptism, is it of literal water, or is it through the washing
of the Word?
And what if you have been washed clean? What then?

Water baptism is literal water,

Yes, Robert, we know that.

I just was answering your question.

Post by Michael Christ

Post by Robert
similar to what JtB did, only is was for a
jewish repentance and believers do it as a public sign to others of their
commitment to Christ Jesus.
We are baptized, the BAB, into His Body.

What the hell is BAB?

Born Again Believer.

Post by Michael Christ

Post by Robert
“For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or
Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into
one Spirit.” (1Co 12:13, KJV)
“Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of
resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.” (Heb 6:2, KJV)

Your tangent and context, not mine. Besides, I already said "spiritual"
baptism.

There are more than two baptisms. God’s context. Not mine.

Post by Michael Christ
"And what if you have been washed clean? What then?"

The stay away from the mud pit.

Post by Michael Christ

Post by Robert

Post by Michael Christ
Luke 5:38 But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are
preserved.
John 2:9 When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made
wine, and knew not whence it was [of course, because it is of God]: (but
the servants which drew the water knew;) the governor of the feast
called the bridegroom,
John 2:10 And saith unto him, Every man [with man] at the beginning
doth set forth good wine [deceit]; and when men have well drunk [being
but thou hast kept the good wine until now.
The earlier wine was the written word (still separation from God), but
the latter rain is the new wine, which is the Lord from heaven and is
now (the indwelling of His Holy Spirit), the new man.

There are two rains, the former and the latter, both have to do with the
outpouring of the Holy Spirit.
The latter rain is ramping up now.

The latter rain came when the Lord ascended and He sent His Holy Spirit
and continues to this day. Simply put, the former is the Old Testament,
the latter is the New Testament.
You were told.

Act 2:16 (KJV) But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

Act 2:17 (KJV) And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will
pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall
prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream
dreams:

Act 2:18 (KJV) And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in
those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

The prophet Joel spoke of the Former and the latter rain, and not only that
but the timing thereof.

Now ‘you are shown’. ;)

Post by Michael Christ
Now back to the context I wrote about...
"And what if you have been washed clean? What then?"

You were answered.

Post by Michael Christ
"But new wine must be put into new bottles."
You can't have it both ways, and neither can Christendom.
Michael Christ

Repent today, while you can. Tomorrow is not in your hands.

[Michael Christ]

Post by Robert

Post by Michael Christ

Post by Robert

Post by Michael Christ

Post by Robert

Amen and amen again. The 2000 year christian witnesss declares bing "born
again" and becoming christian in baptism.

Sadly what this person is totally unaware of is that not one person is
made
a
Christian by water baptism.

Ultimately, anyway, if a man is not baptized into Christ, spiritually,
that person is not His. Is the "old man" baptized into Christ? Yet many
sinner Christians walk in the "old man" and claim otherwise.
And water baptism, is it of literal water, or is it through the washing
of the Word?
And what if you have been washed clean? What then?

Water baptism is literal water,

Yes, Robert, we know that.

I just was answering your question.

I'll answer my statement to encourage you to meditate further with
another question.

What if you have been cleansed of all unrighteousness through the
washing of the Word and are ready in the Lord's eyes and judgement to
receive the new wine in that new bottle?

Post by Robert

Post by Michael Christ

Post by Robert
similar to what JtB did, only is was for a
jewish repentance and believers do it as a public sign to others of their
commitment to Christ Jesus.
We are baptized, the BAB, into His Body.

What the hell is BAB?

Born Again Believer.

Thank you, thank you very much. How's my Elvis impression?

So it is not Bible Acting Babblers; that's a relief. :-).

Post by Robert

Post by Michael Christ

Post by Robert
“For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or
Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into
one Spirit.” (1Co 12:13, KJV)
“Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of
resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.” (Heb 6:2, KJV)

Your tangent and context, not mine. Besides, I already said "spiritual"
baptism.

There are more than two baptisms. God’s context. Not mine.

I am not talking about "baptisms," I am talking about your subject
title. Essentially, the difference between the old and new man.

Post by Robert

Post by Michael Christ
"And what if you have been washed clean? What then?"

The stay away from the mud pit.

So, keep yourself clean? Do you have power for that? Do you have the
power to keep yourself saved?

You are not going to like this...

"But remember this: always, absolutely always, all the glory is the
Lord's and His alone, and anyone who takes any credit for anything, you
know, instantly, he is not what he pretends to be and is a false prophet."

However, good news, it is not about being right or wrong, it is ALL
about how you treat the Lord.

You know not what you do, so you know not what you say.

No mud pit has any power over a son of God. The whole world is merely
dust on his feet to be shaken off.

Post by Robert

Post by Michael Christ

Post by Robert

Post by Michael Christ
Luke 5:38 But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are
preserved.
John 2:9 When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made
wine, and knew not whence it was [of course, because it is of God]: (but
the servants which drew the water knew;) the governor of the feast
called the bridegroom,
John 2:10 And saith unto him, Every man [with man] at the beginning
doth set forth good wine [deceit]; and when men have well drunk [being
but thou hast kept the good wine until now.
The earlier wine was the written word (still separation from God), but
the latter rain is the new wine, which is the Lord from heaven and is
now (the indwelling of His Holy Spirit), the new man.

There are two rains, the former and the latter, both have to do with the
outpouring of the Holy Spirit.
The latter rain is ramping up now.

The latter rain came when the Lord ascended and He sent His Holy Spirit
and continues to this day. Simply put, the former is the Old Testament,
the latter is the New Testament.
You were told.

Act 2:16 (KJV) But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
Act 2:17 (KJV) And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will
pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall
prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream
Act 2:18 (KJV) And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in
The prophet Joel spoke of the Former and the latter rain, and not only that
but the timing thereof.
Now ‘you are shown’. ;)

I was shown. That is an Old Testament prophecy that was fulfilled in the
Lord Jesus! Is there another? Sheesh!

He did pour out His Spirit upon all flesh through the Lord Jesus Christ.

You are looking for religious men to do something (e.g., Asbury, any
kind of revival among men, flashing things), not at what the Lord has
already done.

It is finished.

You know not what you do, but you could if you set your pride aside,
like Paul. I am not your enemy; you are your own enemy.

What God does with "clay" is another story (He is a master craftsman, to
say the least), but no "clay" is of any "height," not Moses, not Paul,
not any of the disciples, not anyone.

By that, I mean—let me explain—the Lord gives me more understanding than
all my teachers, more than anyone I can see or hear, but I still know
nothing, like you, because all understanding still belongs to Him; the
source of all things always continually comes out of Him, a river of
life; He is the source of all life, always. Understandably then, the
glory is His, because He is all the glory.

For me to think that because He gives me more understanding than my
teachers makes me MORE than all my teachers is pure evil, for then I
would have taken His glory and given it to myself.

"But remember this: always, absolutely always, all the glory is the
Lord's and His alone, and anyone who takes any credit for anything, you
know, instantly, he is not what he pretends to be and is a false prophet."

In summary, if you love someone with all your heart, you would never
steal from them (e.g., take their glory for yourself), exchange the
truth for a lie (e.g., commit adultery), and so on, or THINK FOR A
MOMENT that you are more than what you are—a creation, clay that
received life and never life that received from itself.

There is atheism for you: "The claim that life received from itself."

Who said that? Not me, the Lord did!






Michael Christ

Post by Robert

Post by Michael Christ
Now back to the context I wrote about...
"And what if you have been washed clean? What then?"

You were answered.

Post by Michael Christ
"But new wine must be put into new bottles."
You can't have it both ways, and neither can Christendom.
Michael Christ

Repent today, while you can. Tomorrow is not in your hands.

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

[Steve Hayes]

Post by Robert

Amen and amen again. The 2000 year christian witnesss declares bing "born
again" and becoming christian in baptism.

Sadly what this person is totally unaware of is that not one person is made a
Christian by water baptism.
No where is scripture is that taught.

It is taught in John 3:5 and Titus 3:5.

[Robert]

Post by Steve Hayes

Post by Robert

Amen and amen again. The 2000 year christian witnesss declares bing "born
again" and becoming christian in baptism.

Sadly what this person is totally unaware of is that not one person is made a
Christian by water baptism.
No where is scripture is that taught.

It is taught in John 3:5 and Titus 3:5.

“Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his
mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy
Ghost;” (Tit 3:5, KJV)

Washing of regeneration is the new birth, aka Born Again. Wherein we are made
the righteousness of the Heavenly Father. There is no mention or alluding to
of water. We are made new and washed by the blood of the Lamb.

As to John 3:5

“Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of
water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.” (Jhn
3:5, KJV)

Now, lest you jump to a conclusion, Jesus never baptized anyone with water.
Secondly there is this scripture,...

“This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water
only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness,
because the Spirit is truth.” (1Jn 5:6, KJV)

Notice any similarity?

The reason there is a similarity is that in John chapter three, the context
of the verse 3:5 is that Nicodemus brought up his understanding of Birth as
the typical way of the flesh, by water.

“Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he
enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?” (Jhn 3:4, KJV)
Is this not the same way that Jesus was born?

But Jesus was speaking of the new birth, a spiritual birth, as such Jesus was
the second Adam who made it possible to he birthed unto life, thus undoing
what the first Adam did, since by him man died spiritually. This was made
clear in verse 6-8

“That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the
Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but
canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that
is born of the Spirit.” (Jhn 3:6-8, KJV)

Jesus came by water and blood, a natural birth, the born again man comes by
the natural birth and then the spiritual rebirth. Jesus received the Holy
Spirit after he came out of the water, in which he was baptized for
repentance as JtB did with the Jew’s that came before and after Jesus.
Making preparation for the coming of the Messiah.

[Steve Hayes]

Post by Robert

Post by Steve Hayes

Post by Robert

Amen and amen again. The 2000 year christian witnesss declares bing "born
again" and becoming christian in baptism.

Sadly what this person is totally unaware of is that not one person is made a
Christian by water baptism.
No where is scripture is that taught.

It is taught in John 3:5 and Titus 3:5.

“Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his
mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy
Ghost;” (Tit 3:5, KJV)

Washing of regeneration quite palinly refers to a new birth by water.

Thus it has been bunderstood by the Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church
since the first century.

Newfangled sophistry to try to justify modern ideologies and doctrines
of men doesn't cut it.

[Robert]

Post by Steve Hayes

Post by Robert

Post by Steve Hayes

Post by Robert

Amen and amen again. The 2000 year christian witnesss declares bing "born
again" and becoming christian in baptism.

Sadly what this person is totally unaware of is that not one person is
made
a
Christian by water baptism.
No where is scripture is that taught.

It is taught in John 3:5 and Titus 3:5.

“Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his
mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy
Ghost;” (Tit 3:5, KJV)

Washing of regeneration quite palinly refers to a new birth by water.

Then show it my the scriptures. K?

“And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten
of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved
us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,” (Rev 1:5, KJV)

And on of my favorites,

“But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one
with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all
sin.” (1Jn 1:7, KJV)

The word “cleaneth” speaks to the continual cleansing action, akin to a
24/7/365 ongoing action of a washing machine, but spiritually.

Post by Steve Hayes
Thus it has been bunderstood by the Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church
since the first century.

There was no universal church in the 1st Century, not until 325AD was one
established by men for men. As to the Apostolic Church, the literal meaning
of that as the Pentecostal Churches, the ekklesia or assemblies, made up of
the Body of Christ, what some might fall Full Gospel churches, and never have
the RCC nor the GO which for hundreds of years were one and the same, were
never of that spiritual understanding as taught in the scriptures.

What I find strange is that for all their claimed differences, the Eastern
Church was the basis for the RC church at the beginning and the first Pope
and a few soon after were Greeks as well. So based on those facts, what the
early RCC did was fully supported and perhaps based on the actions of the
eastern church. Of course in the end, it was the French Church that clashed
with the Greeks and likely caused the divisions.

Post by Steve Hayes
Newfangled sophistry to try to justify modern ideologies and doctrines
of men doesn't cut it.

Of course not, which is why Scripture given from the Lord was and is the
foundation laid for the true doctrines of the Lord. Not the traditions of men
of which is the modern basis of both the RCC and the GO.

[Michael Christ]

Post by Steve Hayes

Post by Robert

Post by Steve Hayes

Post by Robert

Amen and amen again. The 2000 year christian witnesss declares bing "born
again" and becoming christian in baptism.

Sadly what this person is totally unaware of is that not one person is made a
Christian by water baptism.
No where is scripture is that taught.

It is taught in John 3:5 and Titus 3:5.

“Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his
mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy
Ghost;” (Tit 3:5, KJV)

Washing of regeneration quite palinly refers to a new birth by water.

What kind of water?



Michael Christ

Post by Steve Hayes
Thus it has been bunderstood by the Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church
since the first century.
Newfangled sophistry to try to justify modern ideologies and doctrines
of men doesn't cut it.

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

"Atheism: "The claim that life received from itself."

[Steve Hayes]

Post by unknown
Amen and amen again. The 2000 year christian witnesss declares bing "born
again" and becoming christian in baptism.
6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were
baptized into his death?
6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by
baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by
the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Acts
8:36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the
eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest.
And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
8:38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down
both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

You left out John 3:5 and Titus 3:5.

[unknown]

In Acts the examples of Paul and Peter illustrate the role of baptism for
being "born again".

Paul accepted Christ's claims about himself. He then asked christians what
to do next. He was told to be baptised to recieve the HS and for his sins
to be forgiven.

Peter told thousands at pentecost to be baptised for washingaway of their
sins and to recieve the HS.

[Robert]

Post by unknown
In Acts the examples of Paul and Peter illustrate the role of baptism for
being "born again".
Paul accepted Christ's claims about himself. He then asked christians what
to do next. He was told to be baptised to recieve the HS and for his sins
to be forgiven.

Saul, not Paul.

Act 9:10 (KJV) And there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named Ananias;
and to him said the Lord in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, Iam here,
Lord.

Act 9:11 (KJV) And the Lordsaid unto him, Arise, and go into the street which
is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas for onecalled Saul, of
Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth,

Act 9:12 (KJV) And hath seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming in, and
putting his hand on him, that he might receive his sight.

Here one can see that Saul was told by God that he was going to be healed.
Saul was already a believer at that point or he would not have heard from
God, after all, Jesus was revealed to him as he was traveling on the road.

“And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his
hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto
thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy
sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.” (Act 9:17, KJV)

Do not hear, here, that Saul was called ‘Brother’ by Ananias, that he was
to receive both His Sight as well as be filled with the Holy Ghost. This was
to and did happen before he was baptized in water as an open testimony of his
commitment to Jesus the Christ.

Post by unknown
Peter told thousands at pentecost to be baptised for washingaway of their
sins and to recieve the HS.

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the
name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift
of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to
all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.” (Act
2:38-39, KJV)

Please note here a couple things. First being that no water was mentioned, no
mention of a pause in the ministry and then relocating to a river to be
baptized in water. Note that they were to be baptized of immersed in the Lord
Jesus Christ, washed in his blood for the remission of sins, which water
cannot do, and then they would be filled with the Holy Ghost.

Then do note as well, that this same thing is for today and until the Lord
returns for His Body of Believers. As the scripture says, For the promise is
unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as
the Lord our God shall call.”

[pyotr filipivich]

Post by Robert

Post by unknown
In Acts the examples of Paul and Peter illustrate the role of baptism for
being "born again".
Paul accepted Christ's claims about himself. He then asked christians what
to do next. He was told to be baptised to recieve the HS and for his sins
to be forgiven.

Saul, not Paul.
Act 9:10 (KJV) And there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named Ananias;
and to him said the Lord in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, Iam here,
Lord.
Act 9:11 (KJV) And the Lordsaid unto him, Arise, and go into the street which
is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas for onecalled Saul, of
Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth,
Act 9:12 (KJV) And hath seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming in, and
putting his hand on him, that he might receive his sight.
Here one can see that Saul was told by God that he was going to be healed.
Saul was already a believer at that point or he would not have heard from
God, after all, Jesus was revealed to him as he was traveling on the road.
“And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his
hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto
thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy
sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.” (Act 9:17, KJV)
Do not hear, here, that Saul was called ‘Brother’ by Ananias, that he was
to receive both His Sight as well as be filled with the Holy Ghost. This was
to and did happen before he was baptized in water as an open testimony of his
commitment to Jesus the Christ.

Robert once again Nit picking to avoid admitting the point: to
become a New Testament Christian in the New Testament Church (as
recorded in the New Testament) required baptism.
Nothing has changed in those churches which have kept the faith.
--
pyotr
After the war two Army Chaplains were mustering out. The one said to
the other "Chaplain, it has been a real pleasure serving God with you.
You in your way, and I in His."

[Robert]

Post by pyotr filipivich

Post by Robert

Post by unknown
In Acts the examples of Paul and Peter illustrate the role of baptism for
being "born again".
Paul accepted Christ's claims about himself. He then asked christians what
to do next. He was told to be baptised to recieve the HS and for his sins
to be forgiven.

Saul, not Paul.
Act 9:10 (KJV) And there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named Ananias;
and to him said the Lord in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, Iam here,
Lord.
Act 9:11 (KJV) And the Lordsaid unto him, Arise, and go into the street which
is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas for onecalled Saul, of
Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth,
Act 9:12 (KJV) And hath seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming in, and
putting his hand on him, that he might receive his sight.
Here one can see that Saul was told by God that he was going to be healed.
Saul was already a believer at that point or he would not have heard from
God, after all, Jesus was revealed to him as he was traveling on the road.
“And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his
hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto
thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy
sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.” (Act 9:17, KJV)
Do you not hear, here, that Saul was called ‘Brother’ by Ananias, that he was
to receive both His Sight as well as be filled with the Holy Ghost. This was
to and did happen before he was baptized in water as an open testimony of
his commitment to Jesus the Christ.

Robert once again Nit picking to avoid admitting the point: to
become a New Testament Christian in the New Testament Church (as
recorded in the New Testament) required baptism.
Nothing has changed in those churches which have kept the faith.

Do you ignore the scripture willfully pyotr? At one point and time you were
interested in them, and not traditional beliefs.
How did you get bought off?

[Michael Christ]

Post by Robert

Post by pyotr filipivich

Post by Robert

Post by unknown
In Acts the examples of Paul and Peter illustrate the role of baptism for
being "born again".
Paul accepted Christ's claims about himself. He then asked christians what
to do next. He was told to be baptised to recieve the HS and for his sins
to be forgiven.

Saul, not Paul.
Act 9:10 (KJV) And there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named Ananias;
and to him said the Lord in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, Iam here,
Lord.
Act 9:11 (KJV) And the Lordsaid unto him, Arise, and go into the street which
is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas for onecalled Saul, of
Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth,
Act 9:12 (KJV) And hath seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming in, and
putting his hand on him, that he might receive his sight.
Here one can see that Saul was told by God that he was going to be healed.
Saul was already a believer at that point or he would not have heard from
God, after all, Jesus was revealed to him as he was traveling on the road.
“And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his
hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto
thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy
sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.” (Act 9:17, KJV)
Do you not hear, here, that Saul was called ‘Brother’ by Ananias, that he was
to receive both His Sight as well as be filled with the Holy Ghost. This was
to and did happen before he was baptized in water as an open testimony of
his commitment to Jesus the Christ.

Robert once again Nit picking to avoid admitting the point: to
become a New Testament Christian in the New Testament Church (as
recorded in the New Testament) required baptism.
Nothing has changed in those churches which have kept the faith.

Do you ignore the scripture willfully pyotr? At one point and time you were
interested in them, and not traditional beliefs.
How did you get bought off?

Pyotr has obviously sold his soul to the devil and probably says words
like "***@k (Sunday sensitive spelling)."

Disgusting, and clearly, baptized into hell!

:-)






Michael Christ
--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

[pyotr filipivich]

Post by Michael Christ

Post by Robert

Post by pyotr filipivich

Post by Robert

Post by unknown
In Acts the examples of Paul and Peter illustrate the role of baptism for
being "born again".
Paul accepted Christ's claims about himself. He then asked christians what
to do next. He was told to be baptised to recieve the HS and for his sins
to be forgiven.

Saul, not Paul.
Act 9:10 (KJV) And there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named Ananias;
and to him said the Lord in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, Iam here,
Lord.
Act 9:11 (KJV) And the Lordsaid unto him, Arise, and go into the street which
is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas for onecalled Saul, of
Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth,
Act 9:12 (KJV) And hath seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming in, and
putting his hand on him, that he might receive his sight.
Here one can see that Saul was told by God that he was going to be healed.
Saul was already a believer at that point or he would not have heard from
God, after all, Jesus was revealed to him as he was traveling on the road.
“And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his
hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto
thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy
sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.” (Act 9:17, KJV)
Do you not hear, here, that Saul was called ‘Brother’ by Ananias, that he was
to receive both His Sight as well as be filled with the Holy Ghost. This was
to and did happen before he was baptized in water as an open testimony of
his commitment to Jesus the Christ.

Robert once again Nit picking to avoid admitting the point: to
become a New Testament Christian in the New Testament Church (as
recorded in the New Testament) required baptism.
Nothing has changed in those churches which have kept the faith.

Do you ignore the scripture willfully pyotr?

Good Robbot. Nice response. Also doesn't address the issue.

Seeing as how Robert can't address the issue, sadly he again
attempts to distract by attacking the messenger.

Post by Michael Christ

Post by Robert
At one point and time you were
interested in them, and not traditional beliefs.
How did you get bought off?

Pyotr has obviously sold his soul to the devil and probably says words

LOL - you tow are a pair.

What I reject are your Johnny come lately novel protestant
interpretations of the Holy Scriptures.

Post by Michael Christ
Disgusting, and clearly, baptized into hell!

I could say the same of you too, but that would not be a Christian
thing to do.

Post by Michael Christ
:-)
Michael Christ

--
pyotr
After the war two Army Chaplains were mustering out. The one said to
the other "Chaplain, it has been a real pleasure serving God with you.
You in your way, and I in His."

[Michael Christ]

Post by pyotr filipivich

Post by Michael Christ

Post by Robert

Post by pyotr filipivich

Post by Robert

Post by unknown
In Acts the examples of Paul and Peter illustrate the role of baptism for
being "born again".
Paul accepted Christ's claims about himself. He then asked christians what
to do next. He was told to be baptised to recieve the HS and for his sins
to be forgiven.

Saul, not Paul.
Act 9:10 (KJV) And there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named Ananias;
and to him said the Lord in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, Iam here,
Lord.
Act 9:11 (KJV) And the Lordsaid unto him, Arise, and go into the street which
is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas for onecalled Saul, of
Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth,
Act 9:12 (KJV) And hath seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming in, and
putting his hand on him, that he might receive his sight.
Here one can see that Saul was told by God that he was going to be healed.
Saul was already a believer at that point or he would not have heard from
God, after all, Jesus was revealed to him as he was traveling on the road.
“And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his
hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto
thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy
sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.” (Act 9:17, KJV)
Do you not hear, here, that Saul was called ‘Brother’ by Ananias, that he was
to receive both His Sight as well as be filled with the Holy Ghost. This was
to and did happen before he was baptized in water as an open testimony of
his commitment to Jesus the Christ.

Robert once again Nit picking to avoid admitting the point: to
become a New Testament Christian in the New Testament Church (as
recorded in the New Testament) required baptism.
Nothing has changed in those churches which have kept the faith.

Do you ignore the scripture willfully pyotr?

Good Robbot. Nice response. Also doesn't address the issue.
Seeing as how Robert can't address the issue, sadly he again
attempts to distract by attacking the messenger.

Post by Michael Christ

Post by Robert
At one point and time you were
interested in them, and not traditional beliefs.
How did you get bought off?

Pyotr has obviously sold his soul to the devil and probably says words

LOL - you tow are a pair.
What I reject are your Johnny come lately novel protestant
interpretations of the Holy Scriptures.

Post by Michael Christ
Disgusting, and clearly, baptized into hell!

I could say the same of you too, but that would not be a Christian
thing to do.

Then I am obviously privileged to be in the presence of holiness!

Thank you.





Michael Christ

Post by pyotr filipivich

Post by Michael Christ
:-)
Michael Christ

--
pyotr
After the war two Army Chaplains were mustering out. The one said to
the other "Chaplain, it has been a real pleasure serving God with you.
You in your way, and I in His."

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

"Atheism: "The claim that life received from itself."

[Ted]

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Post by pyotr filipivich

Post by Michael Christ

Post by Robert

Post by pyotr filipivich

Post by Robert

Post by unknown
In Acts the examples of Paul and Peter illustrate the
role of baptism for being "born again".
Paul accepted Christ's claims about himself. He then
asked christians what to do next. He was told to be
baptised to recieve the HS and for his sins to be
forgiven.

Saul, not Paul.
Act 9:10 (KJV) And there was a certain disciple at
Damascus, named Ananias; and to him said the Lord in a
vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, Iam here,
Lord.
Act 9:11 (KJV) And the Lordsaid unto him, Arise, and go
into the street which
is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas for
onecalled Saul, of Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth,
Act 9:12 (KJV) And hath seen in a vision a man named
Ananias coming in, and putting his hand on him, that he
might receive his sight.
Here one can see that Saul was told by God that he was
going to be healed. Saul was already a believer at that
point or he would not have heard from God, after all, Jesus
was revealed to him as he was traveling on the road.
“And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and
putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even
Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest,
hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be
filled with the Holy Ghost.” (Act 9:17, KJV)
Do you not hear, here, that Saul was called ‘Brother’ by
Ananias, that he was to receive both His Sight as well as
be filled with the Holy Ghost. This was to and did happen
before he was baptized in water as an open testimony of his
commitment to Jesus the Christ.

Robert once again Nit picking to avoid admitting the point: to
become a New Testament Christian in the New Testament Church
(as recorded in the New Testament) required baptism.
Nothing has changed in those churches which have kept the faith.

Do you ignore the scripture willfully pyotr?

Good Robbot. Nice response. Also doesn't address the issue.
Seeing as how Robert can't address the issue, sadly he again
attempts to distract by attacking the messenger.

Post by Michael Christ

Post by Robert
At one point and time you were
interested in them, and not traditional beliefs.
How did you get bought off?

Pyotr has obviously sold his soul to the devil and probably says

LOL - you tow are a pair.
What I reject are your Johnny come lately novel protestant
interpretations of the Holy Scriptures.

Post by Michael Christ
Disgusting, and clearly, baptized into hell!

I could say the same of you too, but that would not be a Christian
thing to do.

Then I am obviously privileged to be in the presence of holiness!

ass holiness

Post by Michael Christ
Thank you.
Michael Christ

[Michael Christ]

Post by Ted

Post by Michael Christ
in

Post by pyotr filipivich

Post by Michael Christ

Post by Robert

Post by pyotr filipivich

Post by Robert

Post by unknown
In Acts the examples of Paul and Peter illustrate the
role of baptism for being "born again".
Paul accepted Christ's claims about himself. He then
asked christians what to do next. He was told to be
baptised to recieve the HS and for his sins to be
forgiven.

Saul, not Paul.
Act 9:10 (KJV) And there was a certain disciple at
Damascus, named Ananias; and to him said the Lord in a
vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, Iam here,
Lord.
Act 9:11 (KJV) And the Lordsaid unto him, Arise, and go
into the street which
is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas for
onecalled Saul, of Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth,
Act 9:12 (KJV) And hath seen in a vision a man named
Ananias coming in, and putting his hand on him, that he
might receive his sight.
Here one can see that Saul was told by God that he was
going to be healed. Saul was already a believer at that
point or he would not have heard from God, after all, Jesus
was revealed to him as he was traveling on the road.
“And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and
putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even
Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest,
hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be
filled with the Holy Ghost.” (Act 9:17, KJV)
Do you not hear, here, that Saul was called ‘Brother’ by
Ananias, that he was to receive both His Sight as well as
be filled with the Holy Ghost. This was to and did happen
before he was baptized in water as an open testimony of his
commitment to Jesus the Christ.

Robert once again Nit picking to avoid admitting the point: to
become a New Testament Christian in the New Testament Church
(as recorded in the New Testament) required baptism.
Nothing has changed in those churches which have kept the
faith.

Do you ignore the scripture willfully pyotr?

Good Robbot. Nice response. Also doesn't address the issue.
Seeing as how Robert can't address the issue, sadly he again
attempts to distract by attacking the messenger.

Post by Michael Christ

Post by Robert
At one point and time you were
interested in them, and not traditional beliefs.
How did you get bought off?

Pyotr has obviously sold his soul to the devil and probably says

LOL - you tow are a pair.
What I reject are your Johnny come lately novel protestant
interpretations of the Holy Scriptures.

Post by Michael Christ
Disgusting, and clearly, baptized into hell!

I could say the same of you too, but that would not be a Christian
thing to do.

Then I am obviously privileged to be in the presence of holiness!

ass holiness

Thank you Ted. So true!

I feel like Pyotr FlippingBitch has been playing with my privates,
without permission!





Michael Christ

Post by Ted

Post by Michael Christ
Thank you.
Michael Christ

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

"Atheism: "The claim that life received from itself."

[Ted]

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Post by Ted

Post by Michael Christ

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Post by Michael Christ

Post by Robert

Post by pyotr filipivich

Post by Robert
(in

Post by unknown
In Acts the examples of Paul and Peter illustrate the
role of baptism for being "born again".
Paul accepted Christ's claims about himself. He then
asked christians what to do next. He was told to be
baptised to recieve the HS and for his sins to be
forgiven.

Saul, not Paul.
Act 9:10 (KJV) And there was a certain disciple at
Damascus, named Ananias; and to him said the Lord in a
vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, Iam here,
Lord.
Act 9:11 (KJV) And the Lordsaid unto him, Arise, and go
into the street which
is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas
for onecalled Saul, of Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth,
Act 9:12 (KJV) And hath seen in a vision a man named
Ananias coming in, and putting his hand on him, that he
might receive his sight.
Here one can see that Saul was told by God that he was
going to be healed. Saul was already a believer at that
point or he would not have heard from God, after all,
Jesus was revealed to him as he was traveling on the
road.
“And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house;
and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the
Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as
thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive
thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.” (Act
9:17, KJV)
Do you not hear, here, that Saul was called ‘Brother’ by
Ananias, that he was to receive both His Sight as well
as be filled with the Holy Ghost. This was to and did
happen before he was baptized in water as an open
testimony of his commitment to Jesus the Christ.

Robert once again Nit picking to avoid admitting the
point: to become a New Testament Christian in the New
Testament Church (as recorded in the New Testament)
required baptism. Nothing has changed in those churches
which have kept the faith.

Do you ignore the scripture willfully pyotr?

Good Robbot. Nice response. Also doesn't address the issue.
Seeing as how Robert can't address the issue, sadly he again
attempts to distract by attacking the messenger.

Post by Michael Christ

Post by Robert
At one point and time you were
interested in them, and not traditional beliefs.
How did you get bought off?

Pyotr has obviously sold his soul to the devil and probably

LOL - you tow are a pair.
What I reject are your Johnny come lately novel protestant
interpretations of the Holy Scriptures.

Post by Michael Christ
Disgusting, and clearly, baptized into hell!

I could say the same of you too, but that would not be a
Christian thing to do.

Then I am obviously privileged to be in the presence of holiness!

ass holiness

Thank you Ted. So true!
I feel like Pyotr FlippingBitch has been playing with my privates,
without permission!
Michael Christ

What a faggot.

[Michael Christ]

Post by Ted

Post by Michael Christ

Post by Ted

Post by Michael Christ

09:45:45 +1000 typed in alt.christnet.christianlife the

in

Post by Michael Christ

Post by Robert

Post by pyotr filipivich

Post by Robert
(in

Post by unknown
In Acts the examples of Paul and Peter illustrate the
role of baptism for being "born again".
Paul accepted Christ's claims about himself. He then
asked christians what to do next. He was told to be
baptised to recieve the HS and for his sins to be
forgiven.

Saul, not Paul.
Act 9:10 (KJV) And there was a certain disciple at
Damascus, named Ananias; and to him said the Lord in a
vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, Iam here,
Lord.
Act 9:11 (KJV) And the Lordsaid unto him, Arise, and go
into the street which
is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas
for onecalled Saul, of Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth,
Act 9:12 (KJV) And hath seen in a vision a man named
Ananias coming in, and putting his hand on him, that he
might receive his sight.
Here one can see that Saul was told by God that he was
going to be healed. Saul was already a believer at that
point or he would not have heard from God, after all,
Jesus was revealed to him as he was traveling on the
road.
“And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house;
and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the
Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as
thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive
thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.” (Act
9:17, KJV)
Do you not hear, here, that Saul was called ‘Brother’ by
Ananias, that he was to receive both His Sight as well
as be filled with the Holy Ghost. This was to and did
happen before he was baptized in water as an open
testimony of his commitment to Jesus the Christ.

Robert once again Nit picking to avoid admitting the
point: to become a New Testament Christian in the New
Testament Church (as recorded in the New Testament)
required baptism. Nothing has changed in those churches
which have kept the faith.

Do you ignore the scripture willfully pyotr?

Good Robbot. Nice response. Also doesn't address the issue.
Seeing as how Robert can't address the issue, sadly he again
attempts to distract by attacking the messenger.

Post by Michael Christ

Post by Robert
At one point and time you were
interested in them, and not traditional beliefs.
How did you get bought off?

Pyotr has obviously sold his soul to the devil and probably

LOL - you tow are a pair.
What I reject are your Johnny come lately novel protestant
interpretations of the Holy Scriptures.

Post by Michael Christ
Disgusting, and clearly, baptized into hell!

I could say the same of you too, but that would not be a
Christian thing to do.

Then I am obviously privileged to be in the presence of holiness!

ass holiness

Thank you Ted. So true!
I feel like Pyotr FlippingBitch has been playing with my privates,
without permission!
Michael Christ

What a faggot.

Yes, he loves his own great loins—himself.

I wonder if Robert (we've been in discussion) can pick up the following???

Post by Ted
Disgusting, and clearly, baptized into hell!
I could say the same of you too, but that would not be a Christian
thing to do.

"But remember this: always, absolutely always, all the glory is
the Lord's and His alone, and anyone who takes ***any credit for
anything,*** you know, instantly, he is not what he pretends to be and
is a false prophet."



Michael Christ
--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

"Atheism: "The claim that life received from itself."

[Robert]

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Post by Robert

Post by unknown
In Acts the examples of Paul and Peter illustrate the role of baptism
for
being "born again".
Paul accepted Christ's claims about himself. He then asked christians
what
to do next. He was told to be baptised to recieve the HS and for his
sins
to be forgiven.

Saul, not Paul.
Act 9:10 (KJV) And there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named Ananias;
and to him said the Lord in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, Iam
here,
Lord.
Act 9:11 (KJV) And the Lordsaid unto him, Arise, and go into the street
which
is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas for onecalled
Saul, of
Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth,
Act 9:12 (KJV) And hath seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming in, and
putting his hand on him, that he might receive his sight.
Here one can see that Saul was told by God that he was going to be healed.
Saul was already a believer at that point or he would not have heard from
God, after all, Jesus was revealed to him as he was traveling on the road.
“And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his
hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto
thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive
thy
sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.” (Act 9:17, KJV)
Do you not hear, here, that Saul was called ‘Brother’ by Ananias,
that he was
to receive both His Sight as well as be filled with the Holy Ghost. This
was
to and did happen before he was baptized in water as an open testimony of
his commitment to Jesus the Christ.

Robert once again Nit picking to avoid admitting the point: to
become a New Testament Christian in the New Testament Church (as
recorded in the New Testament) required baptism.
Nothing has changed in those churches which have kept the faith.

Do you ignore the scripture willfully pyotr?

Good Robbot. Nice response. Also doesn't address the issue.
Seeing as how Robert can't address the issue, sadly he again
attempts to distract by attacking the messenger.

There was no attack, there was a question. It was you who brought the subject
up as you said it was of great importance to you, and that it was a deal
breaker as to whether or not you joined their church. Your idea, which I
thought and agreed with you, at the time, as wise and prudent.

You also replied to Michael, so I hope you were able to see that.

Post by Robert
At one point and time you were
interested in them, and not traditional beliefs.
How did you get bought off?

I snipped out the part of this that was all of Michaels doing.

[pyotr filipivich]

Post by Robert

Post by Robert

Post by pyotr filipivich

Post by Robert

Post by unknown
In Acts the examples of Paul and Peter illustrate the role of baptism
for
being "born again".
Paul accepted Christ's claims about himself. He then asked christians
what
to do next. He was told to be baptised to recieve the HS and for his
sins
to be forgiven.

Saul, not Paul.
Act 9:10 (KJV) And there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named
Ananias;
and to him said the Lord in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, Iam
here,
Lord.
Act 9:11 (KJV) And the Lordsaid unto him, Arise, and go into the street
which
is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas for onecalled
Saul, of
Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth,
Act 9:12 (KJV) And hath seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming in,
and
putting his hand on him, that he might receive his sight.
Here one can see that Saul was told by God that he was going to be
healed.
Saul was already a believer at that point or he would not have heard from
God, after all, Jesus was revealed to him as he was traveling on the
road.
“And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his
hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto
thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive
thy
sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.” (Act 9:17, KJV)
Do you not hear, here, that Saul was called ‘Brother’ by Ananias,
that he was
to receive both His Sight as well as be filled with the Holy Ghost. This
was
to and did happen before he was baptized in water as an open testimony of
his commitment to Jesus the Christ.

Robert once again Nit picking to avoid admitting the point: to
become a New Testament Christian in the New Testament Church (as
recorded in the New Testament) required baptism.
Nothing has changed in those churches which have kept the faith.

Do you ignore the scripture willfully pyotr?

Good Robbot. Nice response. Also doesn't address the issue.
Seeing as how Robert can't address the issue, sadly he again
attempts to distract by attacking the messenger.

There was no attack, there was a question. It was you who brought the subject
up as you said it was of great importance to you, and that it was a deal
breaker as to whether or not you joined their church. Your idea, which I
thought and agreed with you, at the time, as wise and prudent.
You also replied to Michael, so I hope you were able to see that.

Post by Robert
At one point and time you were
interested in them, and not traditional beliefs.
How did you get bought off?

I snipped out the part of this that was all of Michaels doing.

All of which doesn't change the small ever so minor issue that
Robert (and friends) have been attempting to ignore how becoming a
New Testament Christian in the New Testament Church (as recorded in
the New Testament) required baptism.

Nor has anything has changed in those churches which have kept the
faith.
--
pyotr
After the war two Army Chaplains were mustering out. The one said to
the other "Chaplain, it has been a real pleasure serving God with you.
You in your way, and I in His."

[Robert]

Post by pyotr filipivich

Post by Robert

Post by Robert

Post by pyotr filipivich

Post by Robert

Post by unknown
In Acts the examples of Paul and Peter illustrate the role of baptism
for
being "born again".
Paul accepted Christ's claims about himself. He then asked christians
what
to do next. He was told to be baptised to recieve the HS and for his
sins
to be forgiven.

Saul, not Paul.
Act 9:10 (KJV) And there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named
Ananias;
and to him said the Lord in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, Iam
here,
Lord.
Act 9:11 (KJV) And the Lordsaid unto him, Arise, and go into the street
which
is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas for onecalled
Saul, of
Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth,
Act 9:12 (KJV) And hath seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming in,
and
putting his hand on him, that he might receive his sight.
Here one can see that Saul was told by God that he was going to be
healed.
Saul was already a believer at that point or he would not have heard
from
God, after all, Jesus was revealed to him as he was traveling on the
road.
“And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting
his
hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared
unto
thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest
receive
thy
sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.” (Act 9:17, KJV)
Do you not hear, here, that Saul was called ‘Brother’ by Ananias,
that he was
to receive both His Sight as well as be filled with the Holy Ghost.
This
was
to and did happen before he was baptized in water as an open testimony
of
his commitment to Jesus the Christ.

Robert once again Nit picking to avoid admitting the point: to
become a New Testament Christian in the New Testament Church (as
recorded in the New Testament) required baptism.
Nothing has changed in those churches which have kept the faith.

Do you ignore the scripture willfully pyotr?

Good Robbot. Nice response. Also doesn't address the issue.
Seeing as how Robert can't address the issue, sadly he again
attempts to distract by attacking the messenger.

There was no attack, there was a question. It was you who brought the subject
up as you said it was of great importance to you, and that it was a deal
breaker as to whether or not you joined their church. Your idea, which I
thought and agreed with you, at the time, as wise and prudent.
You also replied to Michael, so I hope you were able to see that.

Post by Robert
At one point and time you were
interested in them, and not traditional beliefs.
How did you get bought off?

I snipped out the part of this that was all of Michaels doing.

All of which doesn't change the small ever so minor issue that
Robert (and friends) have been attempting to ignore how becoming a
New Testament Christian in the New Testament Church (as recorded in
the New Testament) required baptism.
Nor has anything has changed in those churches which have kept the
faith.

It did not require water baptism. Jesus water baptized not one person.

The thief on the cross was not water baptized.

Do not think that I am opposed to being water baptized, but it is not
required for salvation.

[Rod E.]

Post by Robert

Post by pyotr filipivich

Post by Robert

Post by Robert

Post by pyotr filipivich

Post by Robert

Post by unknown
In Acts the examples of Paul and Peter illustrate the role of baptism for
being "born again".
Paul accepted Christ's claims about himself. He then asked christians what
to do next. He was told to be baptised to recieve the HS and for his sins
to be forgiven.

Saul, not Paul.
Act 9:10 (KJV) And there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named Ananias;
and to him said the Lord in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, Iam here,
Lord.
Act 9:11 (KJV) And the Lordsaid unto him, Arise, and go into the street which
is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas for onecalled Saul, of
Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth,
Act 9:12 (KJV) And hath seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming in, and
putting his hand on him, that he might receive his sight.
Here one can see that Saul was told by God that he was going to be healed.
Saul was already a believer at that point or he would not have heard from
God, after all, Jesus was revealed to him as he was traveling on the road.
“And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his
hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto
thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive
thy
sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.” (Act 9:17, KJV)
Do you not hear, here, that Saul was called ‘Brother’ by Ananias,
that he was
to receive both His Sight as well as be filled with the Holy Ghost. This
was
to and did happen before he was baptized in water as an open testimony of
his commitment to Jesus the Christ.

Robert once again Nit picking to avoid admitting the point: to
become a New Testament Christian in the New Testament Church (as
recorded in the New Testament) required baptism.
Nothing has changed in those churches which have kept the faith.

Do you ignore the scripture willfully pyotr?

Good Robbot. Nice response. Also doesn't address the issue.
Seeing as how Robert can't address the issue, sadly he again
attempts to distract by attacking the messenger.

There was no attack, there was a question. It was you who brought the subject
up as you said it was of great importance to you, and that it was a deal
breaker as to whether or not you joined their church. Your idea, which I
thought and agreed with you, at the time, as wise and prudent.
You also replied to Michael, so I hope you were able to see that.

Post by Robert
At one point and time you were
interested in them, and not traditional beliefs.
How did you get bought off?

I snipped out the part of this that was all of Michaels doing.

All of which doesn't change the small ever so minor issue that
Robert (and friends) have been attempting to ignore how becoming a
New Testament Christian in the New Testament Church (as recorded in
the New Testament) required baptism.
Nor has anything has changed in those churches which have kept the
faith.

It did not require water baptism. Jesus water baptized not one person.
The thief on the cross was not water baptized.
Do not think that I am opposed to being water baptized, but it is not
required for salvation.

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you
in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall
receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

[Robert]

Post by Robert

Post by Robert

Post by pyotr filipivich

Post by Robert

Post by Robert

Post by pyotr filipivich

Post by Robert

Post by unknown
In Acts the examples of Paul and Peter illustrate the role of
baptism
for
being "born again".
Paul accepted Christ's claims about himself. He then asked
christians
what
to do next. He was told to be baptised to recieve the HS and for his
sins
to be forgiven.

Saul, not Paul.
Act 9:10 (KJV) And there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named
Ananias;
and to him said the Lord in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold,
Iam
here,
Lord.
Act 9:11 (KJV) And the Lordsaid unto him, Arise, and go into the
street
which
is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas for onecalled
Saul, of
Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth,
Act 9:12 (KJV) And hath seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming
in,
and
putting his hand on him, that he might receive his sight.
Here one can see that Saul was told by God that he was going to be
healed.
Saul was already a believer at that point or he would not have heard
from
God, after all, Jesus was revealed to him as he was traveling on the
road.
“And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting
his
hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared
unto
thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest
receive
thy
sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.” (Act 9:17, KJV)
Do you not hear, here, that Saul was called ‘Brother’ by Ananias,
that he was
to receive both His Sight as well as be filled with the Holy Ghost.
This
was
to and did happen before he was baptized in water as an open
testimony
of
his commitment to Jesus the Christ.

Robert once again Nit picking to avoid admitting the point: to
become a New Testament Christian in the New Testament Church (as
recorded in the New Testament) required baptism.
Nothing has changed in those churches which have kept the faith.

Do you ignore the scripture willfully pyotr?

Good Robbot. Nice response. Also doesn't address the issue.
Seeing as how Robert can't address the issue, sadly he again
attempts to distract by attacking the messenger.

There was no attack, there was a question. It was you who brought the subject
up as you said it was of great importance to you, and that it was a deal
breaker as to whether or not you joined their church. Your idea, which I
thought and agreed with you, at the time, as wise and prudent.
You also replied to Michael, so I hope you were able to see that.

Post by Robert
At one point and time you were
interested in them, and not traditional beliefs.
How did you get bought off?

I snipped out the part of this that was all of Michaels doing.

All of which doesn't change the small ever so minor issue that
Robert (and friends) have been attempting to ignore how becoming a
New Testament Christian in the New Testament Church (as recorded in
the New Testament) required baptism.
Nor has anything has changed in those churches which have kept the
faith.

It did not require water baptism. Jesus water baptized not one person.
The thief on the cross was not water baptized.
Do not think that I am opposed to being water baptized, but it is not
required for salvation.

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you
in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall
receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

This is the only place this was said, and there was a perfectly good reason
for this. 95% of Christians do not understand this, since they have never
given it much study.

Peter was speaking to the Jew. Not Gentiles. The righteous Jew believed in
God already but they were under the Law Covenant. They were not going from
one god to Another, they were moving from one covenant to another as
prophesied in Isaiah and elsewhere. They were repenting from the covenant of
the Law of Sin and Death to the Covenant of Life through their Saviors Jesus
the Christ. The promised Messiah also foretold of in scripture. You see the
promise of Christ was made to the Jew. Hence the commandment of Jesus, to the
Jew first must the proclamation be made. Then, as also prophesied to everyone
else. “Sheep of another fold” as Jesus said.

To show verification for the distinction there is this,...

“While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which
heard the word. And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished,
as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out
the gift of the Holy Ghost. For they heard them speak with tongues, and
magnify God. Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should
not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he
commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him
to tarry certain days.” (Act 10:44-48, KJV)

This is when the spirit of God first fell on the Gentiles, and here one can
see that the gentiles were filled with the Holy Ghost, before water baptism,
not after or because of water baptism as the same Peter prophesied to the
Jews in the verse you rightfully quoted.

In Both these situations Peter was active.

Water baptism in the name of Jesus was an announcement to fellow Jews of
their commitment to Christ and their pic confession to all of their choice of
’The Way’ It is still a method of outward testimony in the Middle East as
serious today as it was then, for the same reasons. A muslim can speak of
Christ and be a Muslim, but to do so after water baptism and the death
penalty is pronounced on you even by members of your own muslim family who
raised you.

[Rod E.]

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Post by Robert

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Post by Robert

Post by Robert

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Post by Robert

Post by unknown
In Acts the examples of Paul and Peter illustrate the role of baptism
for
being "born again".
Paul accepted Christ's claims about himself. He then asked christians
what
to do next. He was told to be baptised to recieve the HS and for his
sins
to be forgiven.

Saul, not Paul.
Act 9:10 (KJV) And there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named
Ananias;
and to him said the Lord in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, Iam
here,
Lord.
Act 9:11 (KJV) And the Lordsaid unto him, Arise, and go into the street
which
is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas for onecalled
Saul, of
Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth,
Act 9:12 (KJV) And hath seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming in,
and
putting his hand on him, that he might receive his sight.
Here one can see that Saul was told by God that he was going to be
healed.
Saul was already a believer at that point or he would not have heard from
God, after all, Jesus was revealed to him as he was traveling on the
road.
“And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his
hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto
thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive
thy
sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.” (Act 9:17, KJV)
Do you not hear, here, that Saul was called ‘Brother’ by Ananias,
that he was
to receive both His Sight as well as be filled with the Holy Ghost. This
was
to and did happen before he was baptized in water as an open testimony
of
his commitment to Jesus the Christ.

Robert once again Nit picking to avoid admitting the point: to
become a New Testament Christian in the New Testament Church (as
recorded in the New Testament) required baptism.
Nothing has changed in those churches which have kept the faith.

Do you ignore the scripture willfully pyotr?

Good Robbot. Nice response. Also doesn't address the issue.
Seeing as how Robert can't address the issue, sadly he again
attempts to distract by attacking the messenger.

There was no attack, there was a question. It was you who brought the subject
up as you said it was of great importance to you, and that it was a deal
breaker as to whether or not you joined their church. Your idea, which I
thought and agreed with you, at the time, as wise and prudent.
You also replied to Michael, so I hope you were able to see that.

Post by Robert
At one point and time you were
interested in them, and not traditional beliefs.
How did you get bought off?

I snipped out the part of this that was all of Michaels doing.

All of which doesn't change the small ever so minor issue that
Robert (and friends) have been attempting to ignore how becoming a
New Testament Christian in the New Testament Church (as recorded in
the New Testament) required baptism.
Nor has anything has changed in those churches which have kept the
faith.

It did not require water baptism. Jesus water baptized not one person.
The thief on the cross was not water baptized.
Do not think that I am opposed to being water baptized, but it is not
required for salvation.

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you
in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall
receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

This is the only place this was said, and there was a perfectly good reason
for this. 95% of Christians do not understand this, since they have never
given it much study.
Peter was speaking to the Jew. Not Gentiles. The righteous Jew believed in
God already but they were under the Law Covenant. They were not going from
one god to Another, they were moving from one covenant to another as
prophesied in Isaiah and elsewhere. They were repenting from the covenant of
the Law of Sin and Death to the Covenant of Life through their Saviors Jesus
the Christ. The promised Messiah also foretold of in scripture. You see the
promise of Christ was made to the Jew. Hence the commandment of Jesus, to the
Jew first must the proclamation be made. Then, as also prophesied to everyone
else. “Sheep of another fold” as Jesus said.
To show verification for the distinction there is this,...
“While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which
heard the word. And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished,
as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out
the gift of the Holy Ghost. For they heard them speak with tongues, and
magnify God. Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should
not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he
commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him
to tarry certain days.” (Act 10:44-48, KJV)
This is when the spirit of God first fell on the Gentiles, and here one can
see that the gentiles were filled with the Holy Ghost, before water baptism,
not after or because of water baptism as the same Peter prophesied to the
Jews in the verse you rightfully quoted.
In Both these situations Peter was active.
Water baptism in the name of Jesus was an announcement to fellow Jews of
their commitment to Christ and their pic confession to all of their choice of
’The Way’ It is still a method of outward testimony in the Middle East as
serious today as it was then, for the same reasons. A muslim can speak of
Christ and be a Muslim, but to do so after water baptism and the death
penalty is pronounced on you even by members of your own muslim family who
raised you.

Good post@ Thank you.

[pyotr filipivich]

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Post by Robert

Post by unknown
In Acts the examples of Paul and Peter illustrate the role of baptism
for
being "born again".
Paul accepted Christ's claims about himself. He then asked christians
what
to do next. He was told to be baptised to recieve the HS and for his
sins
to be forgiven.

Saul, not Paul.
Act 9:10 (KJV) And there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named
Ananias;
and to him said the Lord in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, Iam
here,
Lord.
Act 9:11 (KJV) And the Lordsaid unto him, Arise, and go into the street
which
is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas for onecalled
Saul, of
Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth,
Act 9:12 (KJV) And hath seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming in,
and
putting his hand on him, that he might receive his sight.
Here one can see that Saul was told by God that he was going to be
healed.
Saul was already a believer at that point or he would not have heard
from
God, after all, Jesus was revealed to him as he was traveling on the
road.
“And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting
his
hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared
unto
thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest
receive
thy
sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.” (Act 9:17, KJV)
Do you not hear, here, that Saul was called ‘Brother’ by Ananias,
that he was
to receive both His Sight as well as be filled with the Holy Ghost.
This
was
to and did happen before he was baptized in water as an open testimony
of
his commitment to Jesus the Christ.

Robert once again Nit picking to avoid admitting the point: to
become a New Testament Christian in the New Testament Church (as
recorded in the New Testament) required baptism.
Nothing has changed in those churches which have kept the faith.

Do you ignore the scripture willfully pyotr?

Good Robbot. Nice response. Also doesn't address the issue.
Seeing as how Robert can't address the issue, sadly he again
attempts to distract by attacking the messenger.

There was no attack, there was a question. It was you who brought the subject
up as you said it was of great importance to you, and that it was a deal
breaker as to whether or not you joined their church. Your idea, which I
thought and agreed with you, at the time, as wise and prudent.
You also replied to Michael, so I hope you were able to see that.

Post by Robert
At one point and time you were
interested in them, and not traditional beliefs.
How did you get bought off?

I snipped out the part of this that was all of Michaels doing.

All of which doesn't change the small ever so minor issue that
Robert (and friends) have been attempting to ignore how becoming a
New Testament Christian in the New Testament Church (as recorded in
the New Testament) required baptism.
Nor has anything has changed in those churches which have kept the
faith.

It did not require water baptism. Jesus water baptized not one person.

And??? What did he mean then when he said "baptize in my name?"
Or when Peter told those gathered to repent, be "baptized for the
remission of sins and ye shall receive the gift of the holy Ghost."
Robert really needs to read the scriptures, and have them opened
up to him.

Post by Robert
The thief on the cross was not water baptized.

Nope. But when the Son of God says "this day you will be with me
in Paradise" I doubt any of the courtiers or bureaucrats are going to
have much to say about it.

Post by Robert
Do not think that I am opposed to being water baptized, but it is not
required for salvation.

As mentioned above, in Acts it does seem be. But maybe Peter got
it wrong, and Robert is here to tell us Jesus is so lucky he came
along to correct Peter and the rest of the eleven.
Anyway: so when Jesus said one must be born of the spirit and
water (John 3:5) was he speaking metaphorically? Just as when he
said "this is my body ... this is my blood..."?
And like wise when Paul wrote that by being Baptized one is joined
with Christ in both his death and resurrection? I'm sure they were
being metaphorical.
--
pyotr
After the war two Army Chaplains were mustering out. The one said to
the other "Chaplain, it has been a real pleasure serving God with you.
You in your way, and I in His."

[Robert]

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In Acts the examples of Paul and Peter illustrate the role of
baptism
for
being "born again".
Paul accepted Christ's claims about himself. He then asked
christians
what
to do next. He was told to be baptised to recieve the HS and for his
sins
to be forgiven.

Saul, not Paul.
Act 9:10 (KJV) And there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named
Ananias;
and to him said the Lord in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold,
Iam
here,
Lord.
Act 9:11 (KJV) And the Lordsaid unto him, Arise, and go into the
street
which
is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas for onecalled
Saul, of
Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth,
Act 9:12 (KJV) And hath seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming
in,
and
putting his hand on him, that he might receive his sight.
Here one can see that Saul was told by God that he was going to be
healed.
Saul was already a believer at that point or he would not have heard
from
God, after all, Jesus was revealed to him as he was traveling on the
road.
“And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting
his
hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared
unto
thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest
receive
thy
sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.” (Act 9:17, KJV)
Do you not hear, here, that Saul was called ‘Brother’ by Ananias,
that he was
to receive both His Sight as well as be filled with the Holy Ghost.
This
was
to and did happen before he was baptized in water as an open
testimony
of
his commitment to Jesus the Christ.

Robert once again Nit picking to avoid admitting the point: to
become a New Testament Christian in the New Testament Church (as
recorded in the New Testament) required baptism.
Nothing has changed in those churches which have kept the faith.

Do you ignore the scripture willfully pyotr?

Good Robbot. Nice response. Also doesn't address the issue.
Seeing as how Robert can't address the issue, sadly he again
attempts to distract by attacking the messenger.

There was no attack, there was a question. It was you who brought the subject
up as you said it was of great importance to you, and that it was a deal
breaker as to whether or not you joined their church. Your idea, which I
thought and agreed with you, at the time, as wise and prudent.
You also replied to Michael, so I hope you were able to see that.

Post by Robert
At one point and time you were
interested in them, and not traditional beliefs.
How did you get bought off?

I snipped out the part of this that was all of Michaels doing.

All of which doesn't change the small ever so minor issue that
Robert (and friends) have been attempting to ignore how becoming a
New Testament Christian in the New Testament Church (as recorded in
the New Testament) required baptism.
Nor has anything has changed in those churches which have kept the
faith.

It did not require water baptism. Jesus water baptized not one person.

And??? What did he mean then when he said "baptize in my name?"
Or when Peter told those gathered to repent, be "baptized for the
remission of sins and ye shall receive the gift of the holy Ghost."

As I mentioned earlier, that was to the Jew, not the Gentile. The God that
the Jews believed in were one and the same. Their sins were already forgiven
for the year by the Blood sacrifice of the Lamb by the high priest. They were
to repent of the covenant of sin and death, and accept the covenant of Life
by Jesus their promised Messiah. And then all of them who believed would be
filled with the Holy Spirit who would never be withdrawn from them by God.
Previously, only a few would be anointed with the Holy Spirit, and then for a
specific purpose, and the Holy Spirit could be withdrawn from them.

Robert really needs to read the scriptures, and have them opened
up to him.

You need to study them. But I can tell you it is a thousand times easier to
read, and understand, when you are Born Again, and filled with the Spirit.

Post by Robert
The thief on the cross was not water baptized.

Nope. But when the Son of God says "this day you will be with me
in Paradise" I doubt any of the courtiers or bureaucrats are going to
have much to say about it.

What have they to do with it?

Post by Robert
Do not think that I am opposed to being water baptized, but it is not
required for salvation.

As mentioned above, in Acts it does seem be. But maybe Peter got
it wrong, and Robert is here to tell us Jesus is so lucky he came
along to correct Peter and the rest of the eleven.

There are 13 apostles. And if you were to read the book of the Acts, you
would see that Gentiles were born again, filled with the spirit, and then
Baptized with water.

“For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered
Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which
have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?” (Act 10:46-47, KJV)

Ever wonder wonder why those that were baptized with the Holy Spirit spoke in
tongues? Both Jew and Gentile.

Anyway: so when Jesus said one must be born of the spirit and
water (John 3:5) was he speaking metaphorically?

Not at all. Anyone who has been Born Again, knows it!

All men are born of Water. Those who are reborn, are Born of God.

“Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of
water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which
is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is
spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.” (Jhn
3:5-7, KJV)

Just as when he
said "this is my body ... this is my blood..."?
And like wise when Paul wrote that by being Baptized one is joined
with Christ in both his death and resurrection? I'm sure they were
being metaphorical.

Nope. A Born Again man dies to sin and self and is literally reborn to Life,
thus undoing what the first Adam had done.
Baptized by Jesus into His Body.

[Michael Christ]

Post by Robert
If they are Born Again and the Spirit of God resides in them, then this is
how they are to live.
Col 3:1-17 (KJV)
1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where
Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with
him in glory.
5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication,
uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness,
6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of
7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.
8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy
communication out of your mouth.
9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his
deeds;
10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image
11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision,
Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of
mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
13 Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a
quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so alsodo ye.
14 And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of
perfectness.
15 And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are
called in one body; and be ye thankful.
16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and
admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with
grace in your hearts to the Lord.
17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord
Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.
This IS the way of life for those that have made Jesus the Messiah LORD of
their life. It IS the desire of their heart. The desire of their renewed
mind. Not briefly. Not on Sunday mornings, but every moment of their life.

Exactly, almost, but it is very encouraging to see what you read in your
bible and expressing what is in your heart; now we get to be on the same
page/context.

However, I am sorry, and I am, one caveat, one fine but necessary
distinction: a man does not make the Lord the Lord of His life. The Lord
does that with and in a man who gives their life to Him in complete
surrender to His will.

For example, if the rich young ruler had gone with the Lord, he would
have brought with him all his worldly baggage, but "the Lord would have
"totally transformed" Him in a season, like He did with the disciples.

But remember this: always, absolutely always, all the glory is the
Lord's and His alone, and anyone who takes any credit for anything, you
know, instantly, he is not what he pretends to be and is a false prophet.

If you received that understanding it shouldn't take too long for you to
see who and what Duane is. It is not about pointing the finger of
judgement, it is simply about the truth!

Post by Robert
If Not, then who is the god that you serve? Who is the god whom you swear
allegiance to?
Can you see the differences here between the old man and the new man in
Christ Jesus? If so, then stop playing games lest you be spit out of the
mouth of the Lord like foul tasting food. Repent, Pray that you might be
counted worthy to escape.

Now, here is a question for you: does the new man need to be told these
things (bible verses above) or does he already walk in them?





Michael Christ

PS: The atheists don't deserve less than the sinner "old man" Christians.
--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

[Robert]

Post by Michael Christ

Post by Robert
If they are Born Again and the Spirit of God resides in them, then this is
how they are to live.
Col 3:1-17 (KJV)
1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where
Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with
him in glory.
5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication,
uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness,
6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of
7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.
8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy
communication out of your mouth.
9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his
deeds;
10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the
11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision,
Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of
mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
13 Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a
quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so alsodo ye.
14 And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of
perfectness.
15 And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are
called in one body; and be ye thankful.
16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and
admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing
with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord
Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.
This IS the way of life for those that have made Jesus the Messiah LORD of
their life. It IS the desire of their heart. The desire of their renewed
mind. Not briefly. Not on Sunday mornings, but every moment of their life.

Exactly, almost, but it is very encouraging to see what you read in your
bible and expressing what is in your heart; now we get to be on the same
page/context.

No, not at this point. Or really at any point. Reason being we all, who are
BAB are in agreement with God and His Word above all else. The word of God is
not subject to any private interpretation.

Post by Michael Christ
However, I am sorry, and I am, one caveat, one fine but necessary
distinction: a man does not make the Lord the Lord of His life. The Lord
does that with and in a man who gives their life to Him in complete
surrender to His will.

If indeed you are in sorrow, that is good, since you should be able to
repent, asking the Lord for forgiveness. Why?

“But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh,
to fulfil the lusts thereof.” (Rom 13:14, KJV)

It is “WE” who must ‘put on’, IOW humble ourselves and bow to the
Almighty God and make Him or Lord/Master. “Not my will but thine be done",
no holds barred.

Post by Michael Christ
For example, if the rich young ruler had gone with the Lord, he would
have brought with him all his worldly baggage, but "the Lord would have
"totally transformed" Him in a season, like He did with the disciples.

If what you said were to be true, then there would be no Judas as he is
today, lost.

Post by Michael Christ
But remember this: always, absolutely always, all the glory is the
Lord's and His alone, and anyone who takes any credit for anything, you
know, instantly, he is not what he pretends to be and is a false prophet.

So is a person who says the Lord told them something and it contradicts what
scripture speaks.

Post by Michael Christ
If you received that understanding it shouldn't take too long for you to
see who and what Duane is. It is not about pointing the finger of
judgement, it is simply about the truth!

I know what Duane teaches, and I am in agreement with him. He teaches the
word. He is a BAB, He does the work of the Lord, and gives all credit to him,
as well as his life.

Post by Michael Christ

Post by Robert
If Not, then who is the god that you serve? Who is the god whom you swear
allegiance to?
Can you see the differences here between the old man and the new man in
Christ Jesus? If so, then stop playing games lest you be spit out of the
mouth of the Lord like foul tasting food. Repent, Pray that you might be
counted worthy to escape.

Now, here is a question for you: does the new man need to be told these
things (bible verses above) or does he already walk in them?

He needs the scriptures, he needs to exercise his spiritual ears and listen
to the Lord. The scriptures are of God and to belittle them is to deny God,
his wisdom, knowledge. The scriptures reveal what he has done for others
which builds ones faith, it reproofs those in error.it correct those that
walk in the spirit. There is nothing negative about them for they are of God,
God speaks through His Word as well as he does audibly.

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ
PS: The atheists don't deserve less than the sinner "old man" Christians.

The atheists deserves no less and no more than any other man.

I would recommend that you read fully every scripture that I posted here,
submitting to God in all things as was stipulated. The same goes for anyone
that reads the post. If anyone falls short of what the Lord desires, then
repent and get on track.

[Michael Christ]

Post by Robert

Post by Michael Christ

Post by Robert
If they are Born Again and the Spirit of God resides in them, then this is
how they are to live.
Col 3:1-17 (KJV)
1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where
Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with
him in glory.
5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication,
uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness,
6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of
7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.
8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy
communication out of your mouth.
9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his
deeds;
10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the
11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision,
Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of
mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
13 Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a
quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so alsodo ye.
14 And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of
perfectness.
15 And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are
called in one body; and be ye thankful.
16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and
admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing
with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord
Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.
This IS the way of life for those that have made Jesus the Messiah LORD of
their life. It IS the desire of their heart. The desire of their renewed
mind. Not briefly. Not on Sunday mornings, but every moment of their life.

Exactly, almost, but it is very encouraging to see what you read in your
bible and expressing what is in your heart; now we get to be on the same
page/context.

No, not at this point. Or really at any point. Reason being we all, who are
BAB are in agreement with God and His Word above all else. The word of God is
not subject to any private interpretation.

But you have a private interpretation. And above I see it.

Relax, it nothing going to kill you.

Post by Robert

Post by Michael Christ
However, I am sorry, and I am, one caveat, one fine but necessary
distinction: a man does not make the Lord the Lord of His life. The Lord
does that with and in a man who gives their life to Him in complete
surrender to His will.

If indeed you are in sorrow, that is good, since you should be able to
repent, asking the Lord for forgiveness. Why?

I already repented long ago.

"A man does not make the Lord the Lord of His life." Did you get that?
And why?

Post by Robert
“But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh,
to fulfil the lusts thereof.” (Rom 13:14, KJV)
It is “WE” who must ‘put on’, IOW humble ourselves and bow to the
Almighty God and make Him or Lord/Master. “Not my will but thine be done",
no holds barred.

Only the Lord can transform a man; that is the point.

There is no glory other than His glory.

Post by Robert

Post by Michael Christ
For example, if the rich young ruler had gone with the Lord, he would
have brought with him all his worldly baggage, but "the Lord would have
"totally transformed" Him in a season, like He did with the disciples.

If what you said were to be true, then there would be no Judas as he is
today, lost.

Don't you worry about Judy, he is not your problem and you are not his
judge.

The point is, no one can do anything about what they are unless the Lord
transforms them. Of course, one has to convince the Lord to bother;
lukewarm doesn't quite cut it.

Post by Robert

Post by Michael Christ
But remember this: always, absolutely always, all the glory is the
Lord's and His alone, and anyone who takes any credit for anything, you
know, instantly, he is not what he pretends to be and is a false prophet.

So is a person who says the Lord told them something and it contradicts what
scripture speaks.

The point is, all the glory is His, and scripture is not determined by
the power of your mind.

Post by Robert

Post by Michael Christ
If you received that understanding it shouldn't take too long for you to
see who and what Duane is. It is not about pointing the finger of
judgement, it is simply about the truth!

I know what Duane teaches, and I am in agreement with him. He teaches the
word. He is a BAB, He does the work of the Lord, and gives all credit to him,
as well as his life.

I am not judging him.

Go and look at Him with the understanding you have been given. What are
you afraid of? Being wrong? It is not about being right or wrong about
theology, it is about how you treat the Lord.

Again, "But remember this: always, absolutely always, all the glory is
the Lord's and His alone, and anyone who takes ***any credit for
anything,*** you know, instantly, he is not what he pretends to be and
is a false prophet."

Go and look and see.

Post by Robert

Post by Michael Christ

Post by Robert
If Not, then who is the god that you serve? Who is the god whom you swear
allegiance to?
Can you see the differences here between the old man and the new man in
Christ Jesus? If so, then stop playing games lest you be spit out of the
mouth of the Lord like foul tasting food. Repent, Pray that you might be
counted worthy to escape.

Now, here is a question for you: does the new man need to be told these
things (bible verses above) or does he already walk in them?

He needs the scriptures, he needs to exercise his spiritual ears and listen
to the Lord. The scriptures are of God and to belittle them is to deny God,
his wisdom, knowledge. The scriptures reveal what he has done for others
which builds ones faith, it reproofs those in error.it correct those that
walk in the spirit. There is nothing negative about them for they are of God,
God speaks through His Word as well as he does audibly.

The scriptures are only there to bring a man to God. The only thing a
man "needs" is the Lord Jesus Christ in Person through His Holy Spirit.

You didn't answer the question.

"Does the new man need to be told these things (bible verses above) or
does he already walk in them?"

What say you?

The writings of Paul and Peter, who wrote them their contributions to
the New Testament to study? Were they already living what they wrote,
were they already living testaments of the New Testament, or did they
just wing it from the scriptures in the Old Testament with a lot of good
old religious bible-study self-effort?



Michael Christ

PS: Anyone who is a sinner is still the "old man," so atheists are not
to be excluded unless you wish to exclude yourself. Kill file them and
you kill file yourself. ChristRosie the wonderful sinner theologian
needs to hear that.

PPS: Also, while we are at it, the Lord offered the "pool" to
ChristRosie, but he refused, preferring his own way and chose to go on
in an 'exchanging the truth for a lie' continual lifestyle to suit his
old man.

PPS: I don't need the scriptures anymore, I know God and I hear His
voice. Period! That is the new man's new life.

Post by Robert

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ
PS: The atheists don't deserve less than the sinner "old man" Christians.

The atheists deserves no less and no more than any other man.
I would recommend that you read fully every scripture that I posted here,
submitting to God in all things as was stipulated. The same goes for anyone
that reads the post. If anyone falls short of what the Lord desires, then
repent and get on track.

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

[Robert]

Post by Michael Christ

Post by Robert

Post by Michael Christ

Post by Robert
If they are Born Again and the Spirit of God resides in them, then this is
how they are to live.
Col 3:1-17 (KJV)
1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where
Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with
him in glory.
5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication,
uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness,
6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of
7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.
8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy
communication out of your mouth.
9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his
deeds;
10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the
11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision,
Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of
mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
13 Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a
quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so alsodo ye.
14 And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of
perfectness.
15 And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are
called in one body; and be ye thankful.
16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and
admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing
with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord
Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.
This IS the way of life for those that have made Jesus the Messiah LORD of
their life. It IS the desire of their heart. The desire of their renewed
mind. Not briefly. Not on Sunday mornings, but every moment of their life.

Exactly, almost, but it is very encouraging to see what you read in your
bible and expressing what is in your heart; now we get to be on the same
page/context.

No, not at this point. Or really at any point. Reason being we all, who are
BAB are in agreement with God and His Word above all else. The word of God is
not subject to any private interpretation.

But you have a private interpretation. And above I see it.
Relax, it nothing going to kill you.

Yet I am in agreement with the Word of the Lord. Others know what I know, and
we are all in agreement.
You may very well differ but it will cost you in understanding.

Post by Michael Christ

Post by Robert

Post by Michael Christ
However, I am sorry, and I am, one caveat, one fine but necessary
distinction: a man does not make the Lord the Lord of His life. The Lord
does that with and in a man who gives their life to Him in complete
surrender to His will.

If indeed you are in sorrow, that is good, since you should be able to
repent, asking the Lord for forgiveness. Why?

I already repented long ago.

Of what? You still communicate in the ways of the “old man” and to be
blunt about it, you do not care.

Post by Michael Christ
"A man does not make the Lord the Lord of His life." Did you get that?
And why?

I do not follow your ‘gospel’ as I showed you in my last reply, with is
directly under this line.

Post by Michael Christ

Post by Robert
“But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the
flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.” (Rom 13:14, KJV)
It is “WE” who must ‘put on’, IOW humble ourselves and bow to the
Almighty God and make Him or Lord/Master. “Not my will but thine be done",
no holds barred.

Only the Lord can transform a man; that is the point.

Yes God the Father does because of the works of Christ Jesus, but he does not
do it to those who are unwilling, or those who do not invite him into their
lives, as their God. Those who don’t follow other gods, those too they make
their god./s

Post by Michael Christ
There is no glory other than His glory.

There is no greater Glory that He, for sure, but many people walk in their
own glory. Constantine was one of those of note.
Psa 89:44 speaks of another.

Post by Michael Christ

Post by Robert

Post by Michael Christ
For example, if the rich young ruler had gone with the Lord, he would
have brought with him all his worldly baggage, but "the Lord would have
"totally transformed" Him in a season, like He did with the disciples.

If what you said were to be true, then there would be no Judas as he is
today, lost.

Don't you worry about Judy, he is not your problem and you are not his
judge.

Then you should read the scriptures, and see what Jesus said about him. And
from the words of Jesus I received my info.

Post by Michael Christ
The point is, no one can do anything about what they are unless the Lord
transforms them. Of course, one has to convince the Lord to bother;
lukewarm doesn't quite cut it.

That is double talk on your part. If God made himself your master, then you
could not be lukewarm. You would be doing as He said or even thought. But
that is not the way he operates and it is why one who was saved could be spit
out of his mouth, and for that reason there is no second sacrifice for the
sins of man.

Post by Michael Christ

Post by Robert

Post by Michael Christ
But remember this: always, absolutely always, all the glory is the
Lord's and His alone, and anyone who takes any credit for anything, you
know, instantly, he is not what he pretends to be and is a false prophet.

So is a person who says the Lord told them something and it contradicts what
scripture speaks.

The point is, all the glory is His, and scripture is not determined by
the power of your mind.

That is for sure, all scripture in the Bible has been there for a minimum of
2K years before me.

“Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD
unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith
the LORD of hosts.” (Zec 4:6, KJV)

For these reasons I rest in the Lord, not by my works, thoughts or deeds,
because then I am not walking according to His desires. And living by him in
all things I have no reasons or justification to boast to anyone.

Post by Michael Christ

Post by Robert

Post by Michael Christ
If you received that understanding it shouldn't take too long for you to
see who and what Duane is. It is not about pointing the finger of
judgement, it is simply about the truth!

I know what Duane teaches, and I am in agreement with him. He teaches the
word. He is a BAB, He does the work of the Lord, and gives all credit to him,
as well as his life.

I am not judging him.

Of course not.<splorf>

Post by Michael Christ
Go and look at Him with the understanding you have been given. What are
you afraid of? Being wrong? It is not about being right or wrong about
theology, it is about how you treat the Lord.
Again, "But remember this: always, absolutely always, all the glory is
the Lord's and His alone, and anyone who takes ***any credit for
anything,*** you know, instantly, he is not what he pretends to be and
is a false prophet."
Go and look and see.

Even if others agree with you, they can see the hypocrisy you reek here.

Post by Michael Christ

Post by Robert

Post by Michael Christ

Post by Robert
If Not, then who is the god that you serve? Who is the god whom you swear
allegiance to?
Can you see the differences here between the old man and the new man in
Christ Jesus? If so, then stop playing games lest you be spit out of the
mouth of the Lord like foul tasting food. Repent, Pray that you might be
counted worthy to escape.

Now, here is a question for you: does the new man need to be told these
things (bible verses above) or does he already walk in them?

He needs the scriptures, he needs to exercise his spiritual ears and listen
to the Lord. The scriptures are of God and to belittle them is to deny God,
his wisdom, knowledge. The scriptures reveal what he has done for others
which builds ones faith, it reproofs those in error.it correct those that
walk in the spirit. There is nothing negative about them for they are of
God, God speaks through His Word as well as he does audibly.

The scriptures are only there to bring a man to God. The only thing a
man "needs" is the Lord Jesus Christ in Person through His Holy Spirit.
You didn't answer the question.
"Does the new man need to be told these things (bible verses above) or
does he already walk in them?"
What say you?

What I said just above.

Post by Michael Christ
The writings of Paul and Peter, who wrote them their contributions to
the New Testament to study? Were they already living what they wrote,
were they already living testaments of the New Testament, or did they
just wing it from the scriptures in the Old Testament with a lot of good
old religious bible-study self-effort?

That is all answered in scripture, that you cannot see it may be due to a
couple things.

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ
PS: Anyone who is a sinner is still the "old man," so atheists are not
to be excluded unless you wish to exclude yourself. Kill file them and
you kill file yourself. ChristRosie the wonderful sinner theologian
needs to hear that.
PPS: Also, while we are at it, the Lord offered the "pool" to
ChristRosie, but he refused, preferring his own way and chose to go on
in an 'exchanging the truth for a lie' continual lifestyle to suit his
old man.
PPS: I don't need the scriptures anymore, I know God and I hear His
voice. Period! That is the new man's new life.

Yet your vulgar and profane speech is that of the old man. And flies in the
face of the will of God, and how the new man lives and behaves as a
representative of God. Even the Atheist is cognizant of that. You might fit
in quite well with the Methodist Church of todays time.

Post by Michael Christ

Post by Robert

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ
PS: The atheists don't deserve less than the sinner "old man" Christians.

The atheists deserves no less and no more than any other man.
I would recommend that you read fully every scripture that I posted here,
submitting to God in all things as was stipulated. The same goes for anyone
that reads the post. If anyone falls short of what the Lord desires, then
repent and get on track.

[Michael Christ]

Post by Robert

Post by Michael Christ

Post by Robert

Post by Michael Christ

Post by Robert
If they are Born Again and the Spirit of God resides in them, then this is
how they are to live.
Col 3:1-17 (KJV)
1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where
Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with
him in glory.
5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication,
uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness,
6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of
7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.
8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy
communication out of your mouth.
9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his
deeds;
10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the
11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision,
Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of
mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
13 Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a
quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so alsodo ye.
14 And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of
perfectness.
15 And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are
called in one body; and be ye thankful.
16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and
admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing
with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord
Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.
This IS the way of life for those that have made Jesus the Messiah LORD of
their life. It IS the desire of their heart. The desire of their renewed
mind. Not briefly. Not on Sunday mornings, but every moment of their life.

Exactly, almost, but it is very encouraging to see what you read in your
bible and expressing what is in your heart; now we get to be on the same
page/context.

No, not at this point. Or really at any point. Reason being we all, who are
BAB are in agreement with God and His Word above all else. The word of God is
not subject to any private interpretation.

But you have a private interpretation. And above I see it.
Relax, it nothing going to kill you.

Yet I am in agreement with the Word of the Lord. Others know what I know, and
we are all in agreement.
You may very well differ but it will cost you in understanding.

Post by Michael Christ

Post by Robert

Post by Michael Christ
However, I am sorry, and I am, one caveat, one fine but necessary
distinction: a man does not make the Lord the Lord of His life. The Lord
does that with and in a man who gives their life to Him in complete
surrender to His will.

If indeed you are in sorrow, that is good, since you should be able to
repent, asking the Lord for forgiveness. Why?

I already repented long ago.

Of what? You still communicate in the ways of the “old man” and to be
blunt about it, you do not care.

Post by Michael Christ
"A man does not make the Lord the Lord of His life." Did you get that?
And why?

I do not follow your ‘gospel’ as I showed you in my last reply, with is
directly under this line.

"A man does not make the Lord the Lord of His life." If he did, he would
have some glory of his own.

How simple is it?

The potter forms the clay. All the glory belongs to Him, and Him alone.

What? You didn't say it, is that your problem? :-).

Post by Robert

Post by Michael Christ

Post by Robert
“But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the
flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.” (Rom 13:14, KJV)
It is “WE” who must ‘put on’, IOW humble ourselves and bow to the
Almighty God and make Him or Lord/Master. “Not my will but thine be done",
no holds barred.

Only the Lord can transform a man; that is the point.

Yes God the Father does because of the works of Christ Jesus, but he does not
do it to those who are unwilling, or those who do not invite him into their
lives, as their God. Those who don’t follow other gods, those too they make
their god./s

Post by Michael Christ
There is no glory other than His glory.

There is no greater Glory that He,

No.

There is no glory other than His glory.

Post by Robert
for sure, but many people walk in their
own glory. Constantine was one of those of note.
Psa 89:44 speaks of another.

Post by Michael Christ

Post by Robert

Post by Michael Christ
For example, if the rich young ruler had gone with the Lord, he would
have brought with him all his worldly baggage, but "the Lord would have
"totally transformed" Him in a season, like He did with the disciples.

If what you said were to be true, then there would be no Judas as he is
today, lost.

Don't you worry about Judy, he is not your problem and you are not his
judge.

Then you should read the scriptures, and see what Jesus said about him. And
from the words of Jesus I received my info.

Post by Michael Christ
The point is, no one can do anything about what they are unless the Lord
transforms them. Of course, one has to convince the Lord to bother;
lukewarm doesn't quite cut it.

That is double talk on your part. If God made himself your master, then you
could not be lukewarm. You would be doing as He said or even thought. But
that is not the way he operates and it is why one who was saved could be spit
out of his mouth, and for that reason there is no second sacrifice for the
sins of man.

No one can do anything about what they are unless the Lord transforms them.

It is as simple as that.

All the glory is His.

If a man wants the Lord to transform him, the Lord will, but a lukewarm
person may as well piss off because he is treating the Lord like He is a
prostitute.

Post by Robert

Post by Michael Christ

Post by Robert

Post by Michael Christ
But remember this: always, absolutely always, all the glory is the
Lord's and His alone, and anyone who takes any credit for anything, you
know, instantly, he is not what he pretends to be and is a false prophet.

So is a person who says the Lord told them something and it contradicts what
scripture speaks.

The point is, all the glory is His, and scripture is not determined by
the power of your mind.

That is for sure, all scripture in the Bible has been there for a minimum of
2K years before me.

The point was, you don't decide what contradicts scripture and what does
not. The Lord decides what is and what is not, and if a man is not in
relationship with Him, all scripture is "glass darkly" or just a stab in
the dark.

If you are in relationship with Him you don't need a bible because He
speaks to you through His Holy Spirit. That is why He sent His Spirit to
dwell in the hearts of those who are His, in those who have lost their
lives and were crucified of their old man nature.

Post by Robert
“Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD
unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith
the LORD of hosts.” (Zec 4:6, KJV)

There you go. Not by might (by your effort), nor by your bible quoting
study power, but by My Spirit says the Lord.

Plain and simple. Because you don't know what you do you strive to walk
in the Spirit, but that is like saying you have power, but you have no
power. All the power, all the glory, all praise and honour is his alone.

Post by Robert
For these reasons I rest in the Lord, not by my works, thoughts or deeds,
because then I am not walking according to His desires. And living by him in
all things I have no reasons or justification to boast to anyone.

You are just talking to yourself, Robert, about religious concepts. It
is hollow talk. "Because then I am not walking according to His
desires???" "Because then" isn't even on the table with a son of God
with his God, there is no "then" or "not then," there is only "always"
in the new creature for all the old (the old nature) is long gone.

You can't have it both ways.

Post by Robert

Post by Michael Christ

Post by Robert

Post by Michael Christ
If you received that understanding it shouldn't take too long for you to
see who and what Duane is. It is not about pointing the finger of
judgement, it is simply about the truth!

I know what Duane teaches, and I am in agreement with him. He teaches the
word. He is a BAB, He does the work of the Lord, and gives all credit to him,
as well as his life.

I am not judging him.

Of course not.<splorf>

I judge no-one but you judge me, Mr Splorf. :-). But, I forgive you
because you know not what you do.

How many times do I have to say this...

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

Wouldn't I have to fear the Lord if I was not telling the truth? The
opinion of fallen men is nothing, His opinion is everything.

Post by Robert

Post by Michael Christ
Go and look at Him with the understanding you have been given. What are
you afraid of? Being wrong? It is not about being right or wrong about
theology, it is about how you treat the Lord.
Again, "But remember this: always, absolutely always, all the glory is
the Lord's and His alone, and anyone who takes ***any credit for
anything,*** you know, instantly, he is not what he pretends to be and
is a false prophet."
Go and look and see.

Even if others agree with you, they can see the hypocrisy you reek here.

I am not talking to others or do I care what judgements they make. The
only judge is the Lord.

But you judge me as a reeking hypocrite. Yet, you will not go and look
and see to find out otherwise?

"But remember this: always, absolutely always, all the glory is
the Lord's and His alone, and anyone who takes ***any credit for
anything,*** you know, instantly, he is not what he pretends to be and
is a false prophet."

Go and look and see what Duane really is.

"Any credit for anything."

All the glory is His, everything, nothing of you, nothing of Duane, and
nothing of me.

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If Not, then who is the god that you serve? Who is the god whom you swear
allegiance to?
Can you see the differences here between the old man and the new man in
Christ Jesus? If so, then stop playing games lest you be spit out of the
mouth of the Lord like foul tasting food. Repent, Pray that you might be
counted worthy to escape.

Now, here is a question for you: does the new man need to be told these
things (bible verses above) or does he already walk in them?

He needs the scriptures, he needs to exercise his spiritual ears and listen
to the Lord. The scriptures are of God and to belittle them is to deny God,
his wisdom, knowledge. The scriptures reveal what he has done for others
which builds ones faith, it reproofs those in error.it correct those that
walk in the spirit. There is nothing negative about them for they are of
God, God speaks through His Word as well as he does audibly.

The scriptures are only there to bring a man to God. The only thing a
man "needs" is the Lord Jesus Christ in Person through His Holy Spirit.
You didn't answer the question.
"Does the new man need to be told these things (bible verses above) or
does he already walk in them?"
What say you?

What I said just above.

You did not answer the question, you just waffled religious noise. You
brought the subject up.

Does the new man need to be told these things (Col 3:1-17) or does he
already walk in them?"

It is a very simple easy question, but it challenges your foundation,
and I understand why, because you know not what you do.

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The writings of Paul and Peter, who wrote them their contributions to
the New Testament to study? Were they already living what they wrote,
were they already living testaments of the New Testament, or did they
just wing it from the scriptures in the Old Testament with a lot of good
old religious bible-study self-effort?

That is all answered in scripture, that you cannot see it may be due to a
couple things.

Again with the diversion because you know not what you do.

They didn't have the bible verses you say people need, because they
heard directly from the Lord, and if you heard from the Lord directly
you would know what you do and what you truly are.

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PS: Anyone who is a sinner is still the "old man," so atheists are not
to be excluded unless you wish to exclude yourself. Kill file them and
you kill file yourself. ChristRosie the wonderful sinner theologian
needs to hear that.
PPS: Also, while we are at it, the Lord offered the "pool" to
ChristRosie, but he refused, preferring his own way and chose to go on
in an 'exchanging the truth for a lie' continual lifestyle to suit his
old man.
PPS: I don't need the scriptures anymore, I know God and I hear His
voice. Period! That is the new man's new life.

Yet your vulgar and profane speech is that of the old man.

Oh shut up, I never speak vulgar and profane speech before the Lord, you
just have no stomach for the truth, for reality because it offends your
self-righteous religious fantasy of pious royalty.

Your Christendom does ram the Lord up the ass with bullshit every single
Sunday. There is going to be one hell of shock coming for a great many
when the lights go on, Buddy Appropriate Speech Sunday Sinner.

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And flies in the
face of the will of God, and how the new man lives and behaves as a
representative of God. Even the Atheist is cognizant of that. You might fit
in quite well with the Methodist Church of todays time.

You are relating your judgement to the cognizance of a deluded atheist?
:-).

You know not what you do.

And I have nothing to do with any synagogues of Satan—all the churches.
Your holy, humanistic, worldly cultured churches of fallen man morals
are not God's ways.

You are not going to accept a thing I say because it would be
devastating to your pride and your life, but I always hear the Lord in
these seemingly futile conversations with you.

No, the Lord does not say what you, playing God with your bible, say. 
The Lord knows what He does; however, you do not.





Michael Christ
--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

[Robert]

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If they are Born Again and the Spirit of God resides in them, then this
is
how they are to live.
Col 3:1-17 (KJV)
1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above,
where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear
with him in glory.
5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication,
uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness,
6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of
7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.
8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy,
filthy communication out of your mouth.
9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with
his deeds;
10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the
11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor
uncircumcision,
Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of
mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
13 Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a
quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so alsodo ye.
14 And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of
perfectness.
15 And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye
are called in one body; and be ye thankful.
16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and
admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing
with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord
Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.
This IS the way of life for those that have made Jesus the Messiah LORD
of their life. It IS the desire of their heart. The desire of their renewed
mind. Not briefly. Not on Sunday mornings, but every moment of their
life.

Exactly, almost, but it is very encouraging to see what you read in your
bible and expressing what is in your heart; now we get to be on the same
page/context.

No, not at this point. Or really at any point. Reason being we all, who are
BAB are in agreement with God and His Word above all else. The word of God
is not subject to any private interpretation.

But you have a private interpretation. And above I see it.
Relax, it nothing going to kill you.

Yet I am in agreement with the Word of the Lord. Others know what I know,
and we are all in agreement.
You may very well differ but it will cost you in understanding.

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However, I am sorry, and I am, one caveat, one fine but necessary
distinction: a man does not make the Lord the Lord of His life. The Lord
does that with and in a man who gives their life to Him in complete
surrender to His will.

If indeed you are in sorrow, that is good, since you should be able to
repent, asking the Lord for forgiveness. Why?

I already repented long ago.

Of what? You still communicate in the ways of the “old man” and to be
blunt about it, you do not care.

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"A man does not make the Lord the Lord of His life." Did you get that?
And why?

I do not follow your ‘gospel’ as I showed you in my last reply, with is
directly under this line.

"A man does not make the Lord the Lord of His life." If he did, he would
have some glory of his own.
How simple is it?
The potter forms the clay. All the glory belongs to Him, and Him alone.
What? You didn't say it, is that your problem? :-).

What part of “Put ye on thr Lord Jesus Christ” do you not deny?

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“But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the
flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.” (Rom 13:14, KJV)
It is “WE” who must ‘put on’, IOW humble ourselves and bow to the
Almighty God and make Him or Lord/Master. “Not my will but thine be done",
no holds barred.

Only the Lord can transform a man; that is the point.

Yes God the Father does because of the works of Christ Jesus, but he does
not do it to those who are unwilling, or those who do not invite him into their
lives, as their God. Those who don’t follow other gods, those too they
make their god./s

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There is no glory other than His glory.

There is no greater Glory that He,

No.
There is no glory other than His glory.

“How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much
torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and
am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.” (Rev 18:7, KJV)

“Behold, thou shalt call a nation that thou knowest not, and nations that
knew not thee shall run unto thee because of the LORD thy God, and for the
Holy One of Israel; for he hath glorified thee.” (Isa 55:5, KJV)

All who walk in pride glorify themselves.

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for sure, but many people walk in their
own glory. Constantine was one of those of note.
Psa 89:44 speaks of another.

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For example, if the rich young ruler had gone with the Lord, he would
have brought with him all his worldly baggage, but "the Lord would have
"totally transformed" Him in a season, like He did with the disciples.

If what you said were to be true, then there would be no Judas as he is
today, lost.

Don't you worry about Judy, he is not your problem and you are not his
judge.

Then you should read the scriptures, and see what Jesus said about him. And
from the words of Jesus I received my info.

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The point is, no one can do anything about what they are unless the Lord
transforms them. Of course, one has to convince the Lord to bother;
lukewarm doesn't quite cut it.

That is double talk on your part. If God made himself your master, then you
could not be lukewarm. You would be doing as He said or even thought. But
that is not the way he operates and it is why one who was saved could be
spit out of his mouth, and for that reason there is no second sacrifice for the
sins of man.

No one can do anything about what they are unless the Lord transforms them.
It is as simple as that.
All the glory is His.
If a man wants the Lord to transform him, the Lord will, but a lukewarm
person may as well piss off because he is treating the Lord like He is a
prostitute.

And those men walk, by their choice in the ways of the “old man” and so
they choose to despite the son of man.
That is what the Lord also said to the guy in the video about so-called
christians, who never made him their God. IOW, never Put on Jesus The Christ.

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But remember this: always, absolutely always, all the glory is the
Lord's and His alone, and anyone who takes any credit for anything, you
know, instantly, he is not what he pretends to be and is a false prophet.

So is a person who says the Lord told them something and it contradicts what
scripture speaks.

The point is, all the glory is His, and scripture is not determined by
the power of your mind.

That is for sure, all scripture in the Bible has been there for a minimum of
2K years before me.

The point was, you don't decide what contradicts scripture and what does
not. The Lord decides what is and what is not, and if a man is not in
relationship with Him, all scripture is "glass darkly" or just a stab in
the dark.

Of course I don’t, it is the person themselves that say what contradicts
scripture, yet they are fully deceived and even when the words of God are put
along side their own, they cannot see the irrefutable difference having eyes
that cannot see.

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If you are in relationship with Him you don't need a bible because He
speaks to you through His Holy Spirit. That is why He sent His Spirit to
dwell in the hearts of those who are His, in those who have lost their
lives and were crucified of their old man nature.

The Holy Spirit will bring to ones remembrance what God has spoken unto them,
whether directly or via the scriptures. Which is what one must study to show
themselves approved unto God.

Your deceitful ploy, which is of the god of this world, glorifies not God,
but adds confusion when things are so contradictory to the Word of God. You
are without excuse. Look, open your eyes and look at yourself. You openly
state, “I am correct and all others are wrong. It matters not what the word
of God says for I hear from My god”.

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“Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD
unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith
the LORD of hosts.” (Zec 4:6, KJV)

There you go. Not by might (by your effort), nor by your bible quoting
study power, but by My Spirit says the Lord.

It is the spirit of God within me that enlightens the scriptures to me, for
my understanding and also to share with others. I learned the truth of that
scripture I quoted you, a very long time ago. I understood it quite clearly,
especially because I learned through the life that I was living, that I was
going in the wrong direction. It was a great relief to me to find I could put
myself into His Hands, and make Him LORD of my life, and to be directed by
one who knew all things. As on my own, no matter how smart I was I was not
the be all end all.

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Plain and simple. Because you don't know what you do you strive to walk
in the Spirit, but that is like saying you have power, but you have no
power. All the power, all the glory, all praise and honour is his alone.

Saya the one who states openly that “I have the ultimate truth and you
don’t” even when that truth contradicts the words of God written
thousands of years before you were born. God who changes not, yet you cannot
comprehend that the god you hear contradicts the immutable word of God.

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For these reasons I rest in the Lord, not by my works, thoughts or deeds,
because then I am not walking according to His desires. And living by him in
all things I have no reasons or justification to boast to anyone.

You are just talking to yourself, Robert, about religious concepts. It
is hollow talk. "Because then I am not walking according to His
desires???" "Because then" isn't even on the table with a son of God
with his God, there is no "then" or "not then," there is only "always"
in the new creature for all the old (the old nature) is long gone.
You can't have it both ways.

Had you read what I wrote with comprehension I said, when phrased
differently, I am not walking according to His desires when I walk according
to my works thoughts and deeds.

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If you received that understanding it shouldn't take too long for you to
see who and what Duane is. It is not about pointing the finger of
judgement, it is simply about the truth!

I know what Duane teaches, and I am in agreement with him. He teaches the
word. He is a BAB, He does the work of the Lord, and gives all credit to him,
as well as his life.

I am not judging him.

Of course not.<splorf>

I judge no-one but you judge me, Mr Splorf. :-). But, I forgive you
because you know not what you do.
How many times do I have to say this...
"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."
Wouldn't I have to fear the Lord if I was not telling the truth? The
opinion of fallen men is nothing, His opinion is everything.

The fact that you do not fear the Lord is your downfall.

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Go and look at Him with the understanding you have been given. What are
you afraid of? Being wrong? It is not about being right or wrong about
theology, it is about how you treat the Lord.
Again, "But remember this: always, absolutely always, all the glory is
the Lord's and His alone, and anyone who takes ***any credit for
anything,*** you know, instantly, he is not what he pretends to be and
is a false prophet."
Go and look and see.

Even if others agree with you, they can see the hypocrisy you reek here.

I am not talking to others or do I care what judgements they make. The
only judge is the Lord.
But you judge me as a reeking hypocrite. Yet, you will not go and look
and see to find out otherwise?

You are a reeking hypocrite, and have been for as long as I have known of
you.
I speak with discernment.

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"But remember this: always, absolutely always, all the glory is
the Lord's and His alone, and anyone who takes ***any credit for
anything,*** you know, instantly, he is not what he pretends to be and
is a false prophet."

Your sig is full of your pride.

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Go and look and see what Duane really is.
"Any credit for anything."
All the glory is His, everything, nothing of you, nothing of Duane, and
nothing of me.

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If Not, then who is the god that you serve? Who is the god whom you
swear
allegiance to?
Can you see the differences here between the old man and the new man in
Christ Jesus? If so, then stop playing games lest you be spit out of the
mouth of the Lord like foul tasting food. Repent, Pray that you might be
counted worthy to escape.

Now, here is a question for you: does the new man need to be told these
things (bible verses above) or does he already walk in them?

He needs the scriptures, he needs to exercise his spiritual ears and listen
to the Lord. The scriptures are of God and to belittle them is to deny God,
his wisdom, knowledge. The scriptures reveal what he has done for others
which builds ones faith, it reproofs those in error.it correct those that
walk in the spirit. There is nothing negative about them for they are of
God, God speaks through His Word as well as he does audibly.

The scriptures are only there to bring a man to God. The only thing a
man "needs" is the Lord Jesus Christ in Person through His Holy Spirit.
You didn't answer the question.
"Does the new man need to be told these things (bible verses above) or
does he already walk in them?"
What say you?

What I said just above.

You did not answer the question, you just waffled religious noise. You
brought the subject up.
Does the new man need to be told these things (Col 3:1-17) or does he
already walk in them?"

When a baby is born they are not a matured person.

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It is a very simple easy question, but it challenges your foundation,
and I understand why, because you know not what you do.

There again you speak judgment.

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The writings of Paul and Peter, who wrote them their contributions to
the New Testament to study? Were they already living what they wrote,
were they already living testaments of the New Testament, or did they
just wing it from the scriptures in the Old Testament with a lot of good
old religious bible-study self-effort?

That is all answered in scripture, that you cannot see it may be due to a
couple things.

Again with the diversion because you know not what you do.
They didn't have the bible verses you say people need, because they
heard directly from the Lord, and if you heard from the Lord directly
you would know what you do and what you truly are.

Jesus taught his disciples, after he returned from the grave, of himself by
showing them where he was to be found in the scriptures, Yes, what we call
the Old Testament. He is found all throughout those scriptures. The truths of
that was bolstered by the Holy Spirit who gave them the understanding, the
reinforcement. When Saul was born again, he already had the knowledge of
those scriptures but not the understandings. He was a Pharisee above
Pharisees. The Lord led him into the desert and taught him there for three
years. He learned of no man. All his Apostles had crash courses, they were
filled totally with the power of God and were enabled to do the works of God,
as did Jesus. And even greater things that he did, because of the Prayers of
Jesus, and also according to his word.

Today, there is an outpouring of the Holy Spirit that supersedes the original
by magnitudes greater. We have only begun to walk in that walk. Yes,
everything that happened then will be multiplied greatly in this time, as it
is the latter rain, the rain that precedes the Harvest.

However, the bottom line in regards to how they spoke the words of God was
due to the fact that they Made Jesus the Master of their lives, the ‘put on
the armor of God’. They humbled themselves before him. They walked in the
spirit, and they walked not in the 'old man’.

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PS: Anyone who is a sinner is still the "old man," so atheists are not
to be excluded unless you wish to exclude yourself. Kill file them and
you kill file yourself. ChristRosie the wonderful sinner theologian
needs to hear that.
PPS: Also, while we are at it, the Lord offered the "pool" to
ChristRosie, but he refused, preferring his own way and chose to go on
in an 'exchanging the truth for a lie' continual lifestyle to suit his
old man.
PPS: I don't need the scriptures anymore, I know God and I hear His
voice. Period! That is the new man's new life.

Yet your vulgar and profane speech is that of the old man.

Oh shut up, I never speak vulgar and profane speech before the Lord, you
just have no stomach for the truth, for reality because it offends your
self-righteous religious fantasy of pious royalty.
Your Christendom does ram the Lord up the ass with bullshit every single
Sunday. There is going to be one hell of shock coming for a great many
when the lights go on, Buddy Appropriate Speech Sunday Sinner.

Thus speaks Michael McClean.

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And flies in the
face of the will of God, and how the new man lives and behaves as a
representative of God. Even the Atheist is cognizant of that. You might fit
in quite well with the Methodist Church of todays time.

You are relating your judgement to the cognizance of a deluded atheist?

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-).

You know not what you do.
And I have nothing to do with any synagogues of Satan—all the churches.
Your holy, humanistic, worldly cultured churches of fallen man morals
are not God's ways.
You are not going to accept a thing I say because it would be
devastating to your pride and your life, but I always hear the Lord in
these seemingly futile conversations with you.
No, the Lord does not say what you, playing God with your bible, say.
The Lord knows what He does; however, you do not.
Michael Christ

[Michael Christ]

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If they are Born Again and the Spirit of God resides in them, then this is
how they are to live.
Col 3:1-17 (KJV)
1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above,
where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear
with him in glory.
5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication,
uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness,
6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of
7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.
8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy,
filthy communication out of your mouth.
9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with
his deeds;
10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the
11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision,
Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of
mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
13 Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a
quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so alsodo ye.
14 And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of
perfectness.
15 And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye
are called in one body; and be ye thankful.
16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and
admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing
with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord
Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.
This IS the way of life for those that have made Jesus the Messiah LORD
of their life. It IS the desire of their heart. The desire of their renewed
mind. Not briefly. Not on Sunday mornings, but every moment of their life.

Exactly, almost, but it is very encouraging to see what you read in your
bible and expressing what is in your heart; now we get to be on the same
page/context.

No, not at this point. Or really at any point. Reason being we all, who are
BAB are in agreement with God and His Word above all else. The word of God
is not subject to any private interpretation.

But you have a private interpretation. And above I see it.
Relax, it nothing going to kill you.

Yet I am in agreement with the Word of the Lord. Others know what I know,
and we are all in agreement.
You may very well differ but it will cost you in understanding.

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However, I am sorry, and I am, one caveat, one fine but necessary
distinction: a man does not make the Lord the Lord of His life. The Lord
does that with and in a man who gives their life to Him in complete
surrender to His will.

If indeed you are in sorrow, that is good, since you should be able to
repent, asking the Lord for forgiveness. Why?

I already repented long ago.

Of what? You still communicate in the ways of the “old man” and to be
blunt about it, you do not care.

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"A man does not make the Lord the Lord of His life." Did you get that?
And why?

I do not follow your ‘gospel’ as I showed you in my last reply, with is
directly under this line.

"A man does not make the Lord the Lord of His life." If he did, he would
have some glory of his own.
How simple is it?
The potter forms the clay. All the glory belongs to Him, and Him alone.
What? You didn't say it, is that your problem? :-).

What part of “Put ye on thr Lord Jesus Christ” do you not deny?

How are you going to do that, Robert?

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For God's sake and for your sake, open your eyes.




Michael Christ

PS: I read the rest of what you wrong. It is just the same old you.
However, the Lord has just asked you a question.

PPS: ChristRose refused, however I still have hope for you.

PPS: Please leave alt.atheism in, they are not less worthy of hearing
the truth than any flawed religious people.

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“But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the
flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.” (Rom 13:14, KJV)
It is “WE” who must ‘put on’, IOW humble ourselves and bow to the
Almighty God and make Him or Lord/Master. “Not my will but thine be done",
no holds barred.

Only the Lord can transform a man; that is the point.

Yes God the Father does because of the works of Christ Jesus, but he does
not do it to those who are unwilling, or those who do not invite him into their
lives, as their God. Those who don’t follow other gods, those too they
make their god./s

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There is no glory other than His glory.

There is no greater Glory that He,

No.
There is no glory other than His glory.

“How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much
torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and
am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.” (Rev 18:7, KJV)
“Behold, thou shalt call a nation that thou knowest not, and nations that
knew not thee shall run unto thee because of the LORD thy God, and for the
Holy One of Israel; for he hath glorified thee.” (Isa 55:5, KJV)
All who walk in pride glorify themselves.

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for sure, but many people walk in their
own glory. Constantine was one of those of note.
Psa 89:44 speaks of another.

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For example, if the rich young ruler had gone with the Lord, he would
have brought with him all his worldly baggage, but "the Lord would have
"totally transformed" Him in a season, like He did with the disciples.

If what you said were to be true, then there would be no Judas as he is
today, lost.

Don't you worry about Judy, he is not your problem and you are not his
judge.

Then you should read the scriptures, and see what Jesus said about him. And
from the words of Jesus I received my info.

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The point is, no one can do anything about what they are unless the Lord
transforms them. Of course, one has to convince the Lord to bother;
lukewarm doesn't quite cut it.

That is double talk on your part. If God made himself your master, then you
could not be lukewarm. You would be doing as He said or even thought. But
that is not the way he operates and it is why one who was saved could be
spit out of his mouth, and for that reason there is no second sacrifice for the
sins of man.

No one can do anything about what they are unless the Lord transforms them.
It is as simple as that.
All the glory is His.
If a man wants the Lord to transform him, the Lord will, but a lukewarm
person may as well piss off because he is treating the Lord like He is a
prostitute.

And those men walk, by their choice in the ways of the “old man” and so
they choose to despite the son of man.
That is what the Lord also said to the guy in the video about so-called
christians, who never made him their God. IOW, never Put on Jesus The Christ.

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But remember this: always, absolutely always, all the glory is the
Lord's and His alone, and anyone who takes any credit for anything, you
know, instantly, he is not what he pretends to be and is a false prophet.

So is a person who says the Lord told them something and it contradicts what
scripture speaks.

The point is, all the glory is His, and scripture is not determined by
the power of your mind.

That is for sure, all scripture in the Bible has been there for a minimum of
2K years before me.

The point was, you don't decide what contradicts scripture and what does
not. The Lord decides what is and what is not, and if a man is not in
relationship with Him, all scripture is "glass darkly" or just a stab in
the dark.

Of course I don’t, it is the person themselves that say what contradicts
scripture, yet they are fully deceived and even when the words of God are put
along side their own, they cannot see the irrefutable difference having eyes
that cannot see.

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If you are in relationship with Him you don't need a bible because He
speaks to you through His Holy Spirit. That is why He sent His Spirit to
dwell in the hearts of those who are His, in those who have lost their
lives and were crucified of their old man nature.

The Holy Spirit will bring to ones remembrance what God has spoken unto them,
whether directly or via the scriptures. Which is what one must study to show
themselves approved unto God.
Your deceitful ploy, which is of the god of this world, glorifies not God,
but adds confusion when things are so contradictory to the Word of God. You
are without excuse. Look, open your eyes and look at yourself. You openly
state, “I am correct and all others are wrong. It matters not what the word
of God says for I hear from My god”.

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“Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD
unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith
the LORD of hosts.” (Zec 4:6, KJV)

There you go. Not by might (by your effort), nor by your bible quoting
study power, but by My Spirit says the Lord.

It is the spirit of God within me that enlightens the scriptures to me, for
my understanding and also to share with others. I learned the truth of that
scripture I quoted you, a very long time ago. I understood it quite clearly,
especially because I learned through the life that I was living, that I was
going in the wrong direction. It was a great relief to me to find I could put
myself into His Hands, and make Him LORD of my life, and to be directed by
one who knew all things. As on my own, no matter how smart I was I was not
the be all end all.

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Plain and simple. Because you don't know what you do you strive to walk
in the Spirit, but that is like saying you have power, but you have no
power. All the power, all the glory, all praise and honour is his alone.

Saya the one who states openly that “I have the ultimate truth and you
don’t” even when that truth contradicts the words of God written
thousands of years before you were born. God who changes not, yet you cannot
comprehend that the god you hear contradicts the immutable word of God.

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For these reasons I rest in the Lord, not by my works, thoughts or deeds,
because then I am not walking according to His desires. And living by him in
all things I have no reasons or justification to boast to anyone.

You are just talking to yourself, Robert, about religious concepts. It
is hollow talk. "Because then I am not walking according to His
desires???" "Because then" isn't even on the table with a son of God
with his God, there is no "then" or "not then," there is only "always"
in the new creature for all the old (the old nature) is long gone.
You can't have it both ways.

Had you read what I wrote with comprehension I said, when phrased
differently, I am not walking according to His desires when I walk according
to my works thoughts and deeds.

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If you received that understanding it shouldn't take too long for you to
see who and what Duane is. It is not about pointing the finger of
judgement, it is simply about the truth!

I know what Duane teaches, and I am in agreement with him. He teaches the
word. He is a BAB, He does the work of the Lord, and gives all credit to him,
as well as his life.

I am not judging him.

Of course not.<splorf>

I judge no-one but you judge me, Mr Splorf. :-). But, I forgive you
because you know not what you do.
How many times do I have to say this...
"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."
Wouldn't I have to fear the Lord if I was not telling the truth? The
opinion of fallen men is nothing, His opinion is everything.

The fact that you do not fear the Lord is your downfall.

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Go and look at Him with the understanding you have been given. What are
you afraid of? Being wrong? It is not about being right or wrong about
theology, it is about how you treat the Lord.
Again, "But remember this: always, absolutely always, all the glory is
the Lord's and His alone, and anyone who takes ***any credit for
anything,*** you know, instantly, he is not what he pretends to be and
is a false prophet."
Go and look and see.

Even if others agree with you, they can see the hypocrisy you reek here.

I am not talking to others or do I care what judgements they make. The
only judge is the Lord.
But you judge me as a reeking hypocrite. Yet, you will not go and look
and see to find out otherwise?

You are a reeking hypocrite, and have been for as long as I have known of
you.
I speak with discernment.

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"But remember this: always, absolutely always, all the glory is
the Lord's and His alone, and anyone who takes ***any credit for
anything,*** you know, instantly, he is not what he pretends to be and
is a false prophet."

Your sig is full of your pride.

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Go and look and see what Duane really is.
"Any credit for anything."
All the glory is His, everything, nothing of you, nothing of Duane, and
nothing of me.

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If Not, then who is the god that you serve? Who is the god whom you swear
allegiance to?
Can you see the differences here between the old man and the new man in
Christ Jesus? If so, then stop playing games lest you be spit out of the
mouth of the Lord like foul tasting food. Repent, Pray that you might be
counted worthy to escape.

Now, here is a question for you: does the new man need to be told these
things (bible verses above) or does he already walk in them?

He needs the scriptures, he needs to exercise his spiritual ears and listen
to the Lord. The scriptures are of God and to belittle them is to deny God,
his wisdom, knowledge. The scriptures reveal what he has done for others
which builds ones faith, it reproofs those in error.it correct those that
walk in the spirit. There is nothing negative about them for they are of
God, God speaks through His Word as well as he does audibly.

The scriptures are only there to bring a man to God. The only thing a
man "needs" is the Lord Jesus Christ in Person through His Holy Spirit.
You didn't answer the question.
"Does the new man need to be told these things (bible verses above) or
does he already walk in them?"
What say you?

What I said just above.

You did not answer the question, you just waffled religious noise. You
brought the subject up.
Does the new man need to be told these things (Col 3:1-17) or does he
already walk in them?"

When a baby is born they are not a matured person.

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It is a very simple easy question, but it challenges your foundation,
and I understand why, because you know not what you do.

There again you speak judgment.

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The writings of Paul and Peter, who wrote them their contributions to
the New Testament to study? Were they already living what they wrote,
were they already living testaments of the New Testament, or did they
just wing it from the scriptures in the Old Testament with a lot of good
old religious bible-study self-effort?

That is all answered in scripture, that you cannot see it may be due to a
couple things.

Again with the diversion because you know not what you do.
They didn't have the bible verses you say people need, because they
heard directly from the Lord, and if you heard from the Lord directly
you would know what you do and what you truly are.

Jesus taught his disciples, after he returned from the grave, of himself by
showing them where he was to be found in the scriptures, Yes, what we call
the Old Testament. He is found all throughout those scriptures. The truths of
that was bolstered by the Holy Spirit who gave them the understanding, the
reinforcement. When Saul was born again, he already had the knowledge of
those scriptures but not the understandings. He was a Pharisee above
Pharisees. The Lord led him into the desert and taught him there for three
years. He learned of no man. All his Apostles had crash courses, they were
filled totally with the power of God and were enabled to do the works of God,
as did Jesus. And even greater things that he did, because of the Prayers of
Jesus, and also according to his word.
Today, there is an outpouring of the Holy Spirit that supersedes the original
by magnitudes greater. We have only begun to walk in that walk. Yes,
everything that happened then will be multiplied greatly in this time, as it
is the latter rain, the rain that precedes the Harvest.
However, the bottom line in regards to how they spoke the words of God was
due to the fact that they Made Jesus the Master of their lives, the ‘put on
the armor of God’. They humbled themselves before him. They walked in the
spirit, and they walked not in the 'old man’.

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PS: Anyone who is a sinner is still the "old man," so atheists are not
to be excluded unless you wish to exclude yourself. Kill file them and
you kill file yourself. ChristRosie the wonderful sinner theologian
needs to hear that.
PPS: Also, while we are at it, the Lord offered the "pool" to
ChristRosie, but he refused, preferring his own way and chose to go on
in an 'exchanging the truth for a lie' continual lifestyle to suit his
old man.
PPS: I don't need the scriptures anymore, I know God and I hear His
voice. Period! That is the new man's new life.

Yet your vulgar and profane speech is that of the old man.

Oh shut up, I never speak vulgar and profane speech before the Lord, you
just have no stomach for the truth, for reality because it offends your
self-righteous religious fantasy of pious royalty.
Your Christendom does ram the Lord up the ass with bullshit every single
Sunday. There is going to be one hell of shock coming for a great many
when the lights go on, Buddy Appropriate Speech Sunday Sinner.

Thus speaks Michael McClean.

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And flies in the
face of the will of God, and how the new man lives and behaves as a
representative of God. Even the Atheist is cognizant of that. You might fit
in quite well with the Methodist Church of todays time.

You are relating your judgement to the cognizance of a deluded atheist?

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-).

You know not what you do.
And I have nothing to do with any synagogues of Satan—all the churches.
Your holy, humanistic, worldly cultured churches of fallen man morals
are not God's ways.
You are not going to accept a thing I say because it would be
devastating to your pride and your life, but I always hear the Lord in
these seemingly futile conversations with you.
No, the Lord does not say what you, playing God with your bible, say.
The Lord knows what He does; however, you do not.
Michael Christ

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

[Robert]

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You would be doing as He said or even thought. But
that is not the way he operates and it is why one who was saved could be spit
out of his mouth, and for that reason there is no second sacrifice for the
sins of man.

Absolutely no one who was ever justified
in the first place, ever failed to reach
glory, or lost their salvation. It is
impossible, because those whom God
justified (through faith in Christ), He
also "glorified". God speaks of things
which are in the future for us, in the
past tense, as an accomplished fact.
This is because He has already
predestined those He justified through
faith in Christ, to be conformed to
Christ and glorified.

“For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted
of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have
tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they
shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to
themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.” (Heb
6:4-6, KJV)

“And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither
shall anymanpluck them out of my hand.” (Jhn 10:28, KJV)

This is true, as long as you hang on. If you choose to turn away and walk in
the ways of the ‘old man’ you are the one who did that. Not another.

Then there is also, what Jesus spoke of in Matt 13 and Luke 6 more
extensively. You would be prudent and wise to to read those with
understanding. As well as who gives out the seed to sow.

“For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the
truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful
looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the
adversaries. He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or
three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be
thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted
the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and
hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? For we know him that hath said,
Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again,
The Lord shall judge his people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands
of the living God.” (Heb 10:26-31, KJV)

All these words of God are given by Him and further references in Revelation
by the Lord God who spits out the distasteful from his mouth, and cautions
the believers to pray that you be counted worth to escape.

There is no escaping the word of God. Do not allow the evil one to snatch the
truth of God from you with deceitful and excuse making claims.

The salvation of the elect was an
irrevocable guarantee before they were
even born. You cannot frustrate the
counsel and determined will of God in
the matter of salvation, and "nothing"
can separate the believer in Christ from
this love of God.
Further, nothing is capable of
separating a believer in Christ from the
“Who shall bring a charge against God’s
elect? It is God who justifies. Who is
he who condemns? It is Christ who died,
and furthermore is also risen, who is
even at the right hand of God, who also
makes intercession for us. Who shall
separate us from the love of Christ?
Shall tribulation, or distress, or
persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or
peril, or sword? As it is written: “For
Your sake we are killed all day long; We
are accounted as sheep for the
slaughter.” Yet in all these things we
are more than conquerors through Him who
loved us. For I am persuaded that
neither death nor life, nor angels nor
principalities nor powers, nor things
present nor things to come, nor height
nor depth, nor any other created thing,
shall be able to separate us from the
love of God which is in Christ Jesus our
Lord.” (Romans 8:33–39, NKJV)
Likewise, neither can you boast that you
"kept yourself saved" through obedience.
Those who appear to believe, but who
later renounce the faith later, were
never saved to begin with.
God has already elected whom He would
save, and predetermined their
glorification in heaven. Not a single
one of those people can possibly lose
their salvation.
“All that the Father gives Me will come
to Me, and the one who comes to Me I
will by no means cast out. For I have
come down from heaven, not to do My own
will, but the will of Him who sent Me.
This is the will of the Father who sent
Me, that of all He has given Me I should
lose nothing, but should raise it up at
the last day.” (John 6:37–39, NKJV)
“My sheep hear My voice, and I know
them, and they follow Me. And I give
them eternal life, and they shall never
perish; neither shall anyone snatch them
out of My hand. My Father, who has given
them to Me, is greater than all; and no
one is able to snatch them out of My
Father’s hand. I and My Father are
one.”” (John 10:27–30, NKJV)
If Jesus spits you out of His mouth,
with the result you perish eternally,
then you were never one of God's elect
sheep to begin with.